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New security measures for Australia

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Evan

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Hello all,

SQ sent me something about new security measures and JAL mentioned same.... well this is the official info from DOTARS

New Aviation Security Measures for Carry-on Baggage at International Airports

I hope its not a repost and i am 3 months late, if i am believe it or not its news to me until recently.

Evan


From 31 March 2007, the Australian Government will introduce enhanced security measures to limit the amount of liquids, aerosols, and gels that can be taken through the screening point for people who are flying to and from Australia

All containers with drinks, creams, perfumes, sprays, gels, toothpaste and similar substances will have to be carried in a re-sealable transparent plastic bag, no larger than one litre, and be inspected separately at the airport screening point.
Each container should not have a capacity greater than 100 millilitres and all containers should fit comfortably in the re-sealable plastic bag. Exceptions will be made for passengers with medical conditions and quantities of baby food required for the flight. However, these items may be subject to additional security checks. Passengers can still take on board items purchased after the screening point, including duty free.
 

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Not new news, but on the other hand not widely published.

Good to see we are improving airline safety by blindly following everyone else.

Just wait till it becomes the norm for domestic flights too. Was delayed due to it being "too hard to implement" but I'm sure they are working on it.

As my Flyertalk signature states:

Security by stupidity isn't security at all
 

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As is "Security by obscurity".

I love it when people worry about security in one aspect and forget the really big holes and just they they are secure.

Seems i must not have been paying attention then, oh well now we all know. What a pain this will be but atleast they don't limit other carry on bags, simply that the liquids and pastes must be in the clear bag carried seperatly through screening points.

Be really early the first month of this comming in to effect, i predict chaos :!:

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Don't forget the ex-Japan changes happening around the same time (1 March).

Very similar.

Flights from Japan
New rules on what is permitted in cabin baggage will take effect from 1 March 2007. The regulations will affect customers flying from Japan, and covers all liquids, gels and aerosols. You are advised to pack your cabin baggage accordingly so as to avoid unnecessary inconvenience.

Specific regulations:

* Liquids, gels and aerosols will only be allowed in cabin baggage if they are kept in containers with volumes of not more than 100 ml each.
* These containers must be carried in a clear, re-sealable plastic bag. The total volume of the bag must not exceed 1 litre.
* One person is allowed to carry only one such plastic bag.
* The bag must be removed from cabin baggage and presented to security personnel at the checkpoint for separate x-ray screening.

Medications and special dietary requirements, including baby formula:

* Are permitted in cabin baggage
* May be subject to additional security checks

Duty-free purchases:

* Liquids, gels and aerosols purchased from duty-free shops in Japanese airports are exempt from these regulations.
* They may however, be confiscated when in transit in other states, according to the regulations of these states.
"Security by stupidity" was coined by me when at a rock concert recently. They were not allowing in bottles of drink (eg Soft drinks) unless the cap was not on it. They were not searching for bottle caps. Nor were they even caring what was within the bottle. Just as long as it wasn't capped they were happy.

Clowns. Ooops. Perhaps others can juxtaposition that comment in relation to other things we've been talking about.
 

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I'm surprised that it's taken America Junior so long to get with the program.

I knew it was too good to last...:evil:
 

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NYCguy said:
I'm surprised that it's taken America Junior so long to get with the program.

I knew it was too good to last...:evil:
From when I saw it announced, they seemed to be more referencing the European ban on liquids rather than US. Will they join in with the 1 piece of handbaggage restriction currently in UK and coming soon to Europe

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Mal said:
Not new news, but on the other hand not widely published.

Good to see we are improving airline safety by blindly following everyone else.

Just wait till it becomes the norm for domestic flights too. Was delayed due to it being "too hard to implement" but I'm sure they are working on it.

As my Flyertalk signature states:

Security by stupidity isn't security at all

As I said when this news was first announced last year it shows how much a farce these measures are. Either we have a real security threat and should have implemented immediately, or we don't. Announcing changes to security months ahead of time is an utter nonsense.
 

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As I said when this news was first announced last year it shows how much a farce these measures are. Either we have a real security threat and should have implemented immediately, or we don't. Announcing changes to security months ahead of time is an utter nonsense.
No it isn't. It may be that there is an increase in security by doing so, not that it is patently unsafe without doing it. Given the impact of the change, to give advanced warning will hopefully avoid chaos ensuing when it is implemented

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Dave Noble said:
No it isn't. It may be that there is an increase in security by doing so, not that it is patently unsafe without doing it. Given the impact of the change, to give advanced warning will hopefully avoid chaos ensuing when it is implemented

Dave
Bah! Disallowing any baggage and locking pax into their seats will also improve security. Doesn't mean the benefits outweigh the costs or that it is a good idea to do that.
 

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Bah! Disallowing any baggage and locking pax into their seats will also improve security. Doesn't mean the benefits outweigh the costs or that it is a good idea to do that.
Or having to fly naked with no items allowed onboard.

How long till we lose other flying freedoms? Secure area access to wait for loved ones at the gate? The ability to carry on more than one item?

It all gets chipped away bit by bit.
 

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Bah! Disallowing any baggage and locking pax into their seats will also improve security. Doesn't mean the benefits outweigh the costs or that it is a good idea to do that.
That is irrelevant to the point on whether there is something wrong with announcing planned changes that will affect passengers in advance.

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Dave Noble said:
That is irrelevant to the point on whether there is something wrong with announcing planned changes that will affect passengers in advance.

Dave

Let suppose, for the sake of argument, that there really is someone planning to do something nasty with more than 100ml of liquids. How does announcing they wont be able to bring them on in x months time help? That person can simply do it earlier before the new measures go into place.
 

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Let suppose, for the sake of argument, that there really is someone planning to do something nasty with more than 100ml of liquids. How does announcing they wont be able to bring them on in x months time help? That person can simply do it earlier before the new measures go into place.
When announcing such a change , they may have taken into account the level of that risk against the issues that an unannounced change could cause

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Alexander Downer announced today that following the successful implementation of the new carry on limits for liquids when flying internationality and in light of the attacks in Bali and the ever present threat of terrorism that it would be necessary to implement new restrictions on licensed premises (including restaurants).

The restrictions would limit the maximum amount of any liquid beverage container to 100ml with no licensed premise being allowed more than 1 litre in total stock at any one time.

We have moved the threat level up to pink said Mr Downer who also pointed out that the world changed on September 11.

Members of the public when asked for comment said Baaa.
 

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Making air travel safer by restricting the amount of liquids that can be carried on board an aircraft?

I am really glad someone cares enough for our safety to implement these new measures!
 

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Hi Guys

Just reading about the new rules, and a thought occured to me. Not being able to carry liquids over 100 ml's now prevents people from taking their own water/juice/coke etc.. on board international flights.

Not an issue you might say, but i've had penty of discussions with people who are quite prepared to use Jetstar/Tiger or some other cut price airline to fly long distances. They are even happy to fly to Europe etc once those flights start.

"What about the lack of included refreshments on these flights and the outrageous prices these airlines charge for the onboard refreshments?" has been my question to them.

"Not a problem they say - We just take our own."

Not anymore i'm thinking now - be prepared to carry a ton of cash just to keep the family hydrated on a 10 hr flight to somewhere.

I wonder if this changes the dynamics (& value) of flying with these so call budget airlines. Often they're not a lot cheaper anyway, and the thought of being forced to pay substantial amounts for drinks if you have a family of 4 or 5 people might make people to reassess who they fly with.
 

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You should still be able to buy at the airport - yes I know at higher prices.

If you really need cordial on the flight - take a 100ml bottle of cordial and pour that into a purchased bottle of mout franklin on board. Not the best solution but avoids onboard purchases...
 

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sirlegend said:
Just reading about the new rules, and a thought occured to me. Not being able to carry liquids over 100 ml's now prevents people from taking their own water/juice/coke etc.. on board international flights.
You cannot carry these beverages through the security screening point. You can purchase them at the airport after security screening and carry them on board. But in most cases you will need to consume or discard them before the security checkpoint for a connecting flight.
 

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Seems to be ok in Korea and Japan today with the new rules, no chaos. (Yes its new for them as well, same dates, atleast it is Japan and looked like it was in Korea)

And all duty free places now seal the bags specially for the new rules to allow transits.

E
 
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