New 100% share promo with a twist...well two actually!

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ugh, but I want to consolidate points into one account and splitting the bonus is nice and circular blah
 

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https://www.usairways.com/en-US/div...s/sharemiles.html?CAMPAIGNCODE=USSharelanding

Until June 30...100% share promo, but:


  • The cost of sharing has gone up 50% (!) to $0.015
  • The 100% bonus is split 50/50 between the sharer and the recipient

Don't like it! :mad:

The increased cost is nothing to like, but I wouldn't have thought the splitting of the bonus would be an issue - if you and another person share miles, you'll still end up with the same amount as you would with the prior arrangement. Only an issue if you wanted to consolidate miles into a single account.
 

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So am I looking at this correctly?

Account A has 100,000 points
Account B has 100,000 points

B shares 50,000 to A at a cost of $780 (incl fees)

Account A has 75,000 points
Account B has 175,000 points

A shares 50,000 to B at a cost of $780 (incl fees)

Account A has 150,000 points
Account B has 150,000 points

Therefore both accounts have gained 50,000 points each at a cost of $780ea = 0.156c per point.

So only marginally better off than purchasing during a true 100% buy promo purchasing 25,000 + 25,000 for $875.00 = 0.175c per point.
 

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So am I looking at this correctly?

Account A has 100,000 points
Account B has 100,000 points

B shares 50,000 to A at a cost of $780 (incl fees)

Account A has 75,000 points
Account B has 175,000 points

A shares 50,000 to B at a cost of $780 (incl fees)

Account A has 150,000 points
Account B has 150,000 points

Therefore both accounts have gained 50,000 points each at a cost of $780ea = 0.156c per point.

So only marginally better off than purchasing during a true 100% buy promo purchasing 25,000 + 25,000 for $875.00 = 0.175c per point.

Calculations look correct, except your point rates are out by a power of ten, viz. 1.56c per point and 1.75c per point, plus you still have to add the 7.5% sales tax. Maybe marginally better than buying, but basically it's about 11% less than buying during a sale.

As stated, same net result for share and share backs, just now with the increased cost. It also works if you share in a chain, i.e. A -> B -> C -> D -> etc., and each recipient in the chain gets 50k. It does make it slightly more interesting if you're not just bouncing miles back and forth between members.

Still a good deal. Obviously not as good as before with the increased cost, but come on... the way people are carrying on you'd thought they thought the sky was falling or they were getting served with a tax audit...
 
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One interesting effect of the "split" system is that it is possible to rack up more than 100k miles in a blank account at the promo rate using only one extra account with existing miles.

An example: say you want 120k in an account (A). If you have 80k miles or more in another account (B), then this is possible:
  • Share 40k from B to A. Balance A (assumed initially 0k) = 40k + 20k bonus = 60k; Balance B = 80k - 40k = 40k + 20k bonus = 60k.
  • Do it again: share 40k from B to A. Balance A = 60k + 40k + 20k bonus = 120k; Balance B = 60k - 40k + 20k = 40k.
After these transactions, both accounts A and B still have 10k of share bonus remaining, and a total of 80k bonus miles has been generated. Of course, account B, in this process, has been "sacrificed" in order to get a higher award for account A. In the old system, the best you could do is get account A to 100k from scratch.

I guess due to the way the sharing bonus works this time, you can't "clean out" an account.
 

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MMMMMM interesting...........started an account 2 months ago for a child with a nil balance......the three adult accounts are healthy so might share to the minor from one of the "asset" rich adult accounts.
 

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One interesting effect of the "split" system is that it is possible to rack up more than 100k miles in a blank account at the promo rate using only one extra account with existing miles.

An example: say you want 120k in an account (A). If you have 80k miles or more in another account (B), then this is possible:
  • Share 40k from B to A. Balance A (assumed initially 0k) = 40k + 20k bonus = 60k; Balance B = 80k - 40k = 40k + 20k bonus = 60k.
  • Do it again: share 40k from B to A. Balance A = 60k + 40k + 20k bonus = 120k; Balance B = 60k - 40k + 20k = 40k.
After these transactions, both accounts A and B still have 10k of share bonus remaining, and a total of 80k bonus miles has been generated. Of course, account B, in this process, has been "sacrificed" in order to get a higher award for account A. In the old system, the best you could do is get account A to 100k from scratch.

I guess due to the way the sharing bonus works this time, you can't "clean out" an account.

The rules state the max mumber of bonus miles is 50K that can be received by any account, and max 25K one donor to the recipient. Does that still work for your example? (The worry is that you might be able to only do transactions with a total of 25K bonus, rather than separate transactions each with 25k bonus)

The maximum number Share Bonus miles that can be received by one member for this offer is 50,000 bonus miles. All miles shared beyond this limit will not be eligible for a bonus. The bonus miles will be split evenly between the giver and recipient. The maximum number of bonus miles that can be given by the donor to the recipient is 25,000 miles.
 
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Where's that then? Must've missed it.

My experience is mostly off the forums, but FT I would suspect will start to brew.

The rules state the max mumber of bonus miles is 50K that can be received by any account, and max 25K one donor to the recipient. Does that still work for your example? (The worry is that you might be able to only do transactions with a total of 25K bonus, rather than separate transactions each with 25k bonus)

I thought it should be OK as if you recheck the example, each account has received 40k bonus miles in total after those transactions. So it doesn't exceed the 50k cap. Also, each transaction generates 20k bonus miles (per account), so it doesn't exceed the 25k/transaction cap.

I don't see why you are restricted to transferring only 50k points at a time - certainly wasn't constrained that way in the old promotion (and you could likewise 'consume' your bonus miles in 'batches' in more or less the same way).

Extending the example, it can be seen that the maximum number of points in a zero miles account at the end of this promo can be 150k, i.e. by simply doing two 50k shares into the same, initially blank account, generating the maximum bonus available for that account. Under the old promotion (notwithstanding cost per mile), a blank account could only accumulate 100k before consuming all of their bonus. Note that either way, you're still generating only 50k bonus in total; it's just how the mileage is being shifted around (and the new cost).
 
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I think that's the question - is it a cap per transaction, or a total overall cap? Might be a risky venture to try to find out.
 

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Still a good deal. Obviously not as good as before with the increased cost, but come on... the way people are carrying on you'd thought they thought the sky was falling or they were getting served with a tax audit...

Whether its a good deal or not, did US ever give us notice that the cost to share miles would be increasing? Or was it something they just did it because they were ready, willing and able to do so.
 

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I think that's the question - is it a cap per transaction, or a total overall cap? Might be a risky venture to try to find out.

It's both! 50k total and 25k per transaction. At least that is how the bit you quoted reads.
 

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It's both! 50k total and 25k per transaction. At least that is how the bit you quoted reads.

maybe I'm being too cautious. The other interpretation is a max of 25k ever from a single donor. so to reach the total number of bonus miles you'd need two donors.
 

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I think that's the question - is it a cap per transaction, or a total overall cap? Might be a risky venture to try to find out.

If it were 25k overall cap, that would make the first clause redundant.

I interpret the quote to mean:
  • Any account can only receive a maximum of 50k bonus miles during the promotional period.
  • In a single transaction, a recipient of a share can receive a maximum of 25k bonus miles, which would be achieved by sharing 50k miles into it.
 

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If DM were consistent with recent promotions then I would suggest the maximum number of bonus points that any one member can garner from this one promotion, would be 50K, whether as a giver, a recipient or some combination of same (irrespective of the number of transactions).
 
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Whether its a good deal or not, did US ever give us notice that the cost to share miles would be increasing? Or was it something they just did it because they were ready, willing and able to do so.

I honestly don't believe that US is obliged in any way to let us know about these things in advance...and they never have. The award chart is another matter.

LifeMiles recent warning about the forthcoming increase in the cost of buying miles is pretty unusual as far as I'm concerned.
 

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So am I looking at this correctly?

Account A has 100,000 points
Account B has 100,000 points

B shares 50,000 to A at a cost of $780 (incl fees)

Account A has 75,000 points
Account B has 175,000 points

A shares 50,000 to B at a cost of $780 (incl fees)

Account A has 150,000 points
Account B has 150,000 points

Therefore both accounts have gained 50,000 points each at a cost of $780ea = 0.156c per point.

So only marginally better off than purchasing during a true 100% buy promo purchasing 25,000 + 25,000 for $875.00 = 0.175c per point.
For some reason I thought normal buy promo costs .187c per point, this is certainly better than that, though yes, nowhere as good as the 1c share promo.
 

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I honestly don't believe that US is obliged in any way to let us know about these things in advance...and they never have. The award chart is another matter.
In my opinion changes to T&C's are changes to the T&C's whether on the earn or burn side. The general opinion is that they should give notice and AA have also agreed that they really should give notice. I think looking at "obligation" is taking a very narrow view of good corporate citizenship.
 
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