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Well we all knew it was going to happen..

Mobiles to take off on Aussie flights

Aussies will soon be able to "tweet" from their domestic airline seat after the communications watchdog gave the green light for mobiles to be used during flights.
The new ruling by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) is set to revolutionise airline travel and bring Australia into line with other countries that have enjoyed the technology for some time.
After close consultation with the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA), which has raised no technical objections to the new arrangements, airline passengers may soon be able to text, check email and use data during flights.

I hope it doesn't take off personally. I enjoy the peace and quiet!!

Nick
 
This could get very painful on domestic flights.
It is not very private.
 
This is not an entirely bad thing. But I would like to see restrictions.

For one, I wish the service would be limited to only text (SMS). However, we know that's not going to happen, so data services (MMS, internet and data) will need to be provided.

I would also hope the cost is fairly high (think about as high or more than a typical airline phone service), so that should limit the amount of use (except perhaps on business-heavy flights). I'd also think about absolute caps per mobile number per flight (e.g. a limit of a certain number of SMS messages and/or a certain amount (KB) of data per mobile number per flight), but I can't quite see how this can be implemented (nor whether this is reasonable).

I would expect too that phones should be advised to be set to silent during flight as a courtesy to other pax. It wouldn't be enshrined as a law, but a condition of carriage.

What I am fearing is that this feature will go online (no pun intended) but then people will complain about the costs. Lame excuses, of course, like "I didn't know it cost that much", "My phone bill is $1000s", "You should've told me it cost this much - or implemented a cap", blah blah blah - you know the type of mindless, brain-gouging drivel I'm talking about.

Noise and privacy aren't as big issues as you think. Noise you would hope would only be people tapping away or hitting the keys of their phone; not much different to a business flight full of execs with laptops out attacking the keyboard. Privacy should be disclaimed to the same degree as that of regular telecommunications on the ground. And caveat emptor if you're going to be attempting to transmit confidential information that someone else might see you do (i.e. why the hell would you do it).
 
I think the killer app for in flight connectivity is wifi. Seems to have gone down very well in the states, it facilitates most kinds of communication without the annoying phone ringing problems, and opens up a heap of new IFE options. The articles seems to concentrate on mobile phones but i think the same issues have been stopping wifi from being adopted.

I'd be surprised if DJ doesn't try and jump on wifi as part of its business rebranding if qantas doesn't get there first. Either way, if both major carriers aren't at least trialing in flight wifi in the next 12 months i'll be shocked.
 
Wifi has been discussed before in this context here, if it was such a killer app then what happened to connexion for instance? The easy answer is the rest of the world is not like the US in terms of backhauling that signal of the plane with sufficient bandwidth, no point having a fat pipe in the plane with 802.11g or n fed by a very thin connection to the real world.

We dont have the population density or infrastructure in Australia to support terrestrial backhaul which is also why air phones have not been as popular here as in the states for the last 15 years.
 
Please save us from a flight full of annoying "text message received" tones.
 
Wifi has been discussed before in this context here, if it was such a killer app then what happened to connexion for instance? The easy answer is the rest of the world is not like the US in terms of backhauling that signal of the plane with sufficient bandwidth, no point having a fat pipe in the plane with 802.11g or n fed by a very thin connection to the real world.

We dont have the population density or infrastructure in Australia to support terrestrial backhaul which is also why air phones have not been as popular here as in the states for the last 15 years.

I think the technology has moved on a lot in a decade. There seems to be quite a few providers in the market starting to offer Ku and Ka band options with much more bandwidth than boeing offered back in the day.
 
For a bit of 'reference', here is the page detailing the OnAir service, which is used on the BA CW LCY services. Yes, I am aware that we are talking very different demographics/scales here (32 J class pax vs. 130+ Y class pax, the latter with more potential to be unruly on board than the former.)

Club World London City - On-board connectivity - British Airways

It mentions the courtesy convention of keeping a phone on silent/vibrate. I think this directive should be made into a condition of carriage (although enforcement will be a problem - how do you revoke a passenger's access to the service whilst in-flight? Especially if they refuse to give up their name/identity?).
 
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I think the technology has moved on a lot in a decade. There seems to be quite a few providers in the market starting to offer Ku and Ka band options with much more bandwidth than boeing offered back in the day.

Satellite is not at a price that is commercially available in Australia for ground stations let alone mobile ones that require special equipment, if you look at the footprint of comms sats across OZ its very restricted, factor in equipment purchase, installation costs, the ongoing running costs including increased aircraft fuel consumption and then bandwidth fees you will end up with 1Gb for around $100 at an optimistic take up rate of 10% PSK breakeven point, still wondering why it has not taken off ;)? That was the analysis passed to me at Communicasia in SIN by a very large Sat provider's staffer.
 
I would also hope the cost is fairly high (think about as high or more than a typical airline phone service), so that should limit the amount of use (except perhaps on business-heavy flights). I'd also think about absolute caps per mobile number per flight (e.g. a limit of a certain number of SMS messages and/or a certain amount (KB) of data per mobile number per flight), but I can't quite see how this can be implemented (nor whether this is reasonable).

As it is international roaming rates, it would be at least 50c per sms and around $15 per mb for data. Luckily at my work global roaming is barred on all phones etc.. too many $5k + bills
 
I think the voice aspect of this will inevitably follow, once the airlines figure out how to split up the revenue with the various telco providers involved. Why do I have the jingle from the Chaser's "Clive, The Slightly too Loud Commuter" in my head? :p
 
I think the voice aspect of this will inevitably follow, once the airlines figure out how to split up the revenue with the various telco providers involved. Why do I have the jingle from the Chaser's "Clive, The Slightly too Loud Commuter" in my head? :p

I'm hoping the global roaming charges prohibits this personally. I have to put up with people chatting on the train on the way to/from work. Imagine that on a plane!
 
The last thing I want is someone's mobile phone beeping with message or ringing for a call.

If you can't travel with your phone off for the duration of a flight....stay home!
 
Flying Emirates the other day, they already allow mobile phone use on the plane. Don't think anyone actually took advantage of this though (at least not in J). I tried to send a text to my wife but it took 5 mins as the signal kept dropping out, so decided to preserve my battery and switch off.
 
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