MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[QF WP]

I believe that the US Government probably knows more than they are letting on, probably because they don't want others to know their capabilities.

25 years ago they tracked and found the cargo door that blew off a UA flight using their satellite technology.

Don't tell me that technology has deceased...

 

[whatmeworry]

I believe that the US Government probably knows more than they are letting on, probably because they don't want others to know their capabilities.

25 years ago they tracked and found the cargo door that blew off a UA flight using their satellite technology.

Don't tell me that technology has deceased...

Makes wonder how much the Yanks have been sharing with Australia?

Indian Ocean probably isn't the most strategy place in the world for the USA, so satellites trained there are not possibly their first priority.

However I do believe they are trying give Australia clues in where to look probably via back channels.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Makes wonder how much the Yanks have been sharing with Australia?

Indian Ocean probably isn't the most strategy place in the world for the USA, so satellites trained there are not possibly their first priority.

However I do believe they are trying give Australia clues in where to look probably via back channels.

Diego Garcia

 

[whatmeworry]

Diego Garcia

True they do have that base there. But I guess if the Yanks know something, did they know in real time when the plane went off course?

 

[SeatBackForward]

True they do have that base there. But I guess if the Yanks know something, did they know in real time when the plane went off course?

I doubt we'll ever know, and given China's interest in MH370, I'm certain the US would never want to release any knowledge of what they can and can't see. Most likely, they probably do monitor all movements in the air, but consider any commercial traffic as simply background noise and so weren't aware of it whatsoever.

 

[DrA]

I doubt we'll ever know, and given China's interest in MH370, I'm certain the US would never want to release any knowledge of what they can and can't see. Most likely, they probably do monitor all movements in the air, but consider any commercial traffic as simply background noise and so weren't aware of it whatsoever.

But presumably they'd know the standard flight paths of the commercial traffic. A small deviation from that path might not raise an alarm, but seeing something veer so far off course probably would?

Assuming that MH370 did in fact turn down into the Indian Ocean, I would have thought that would have triggered all kinds of alarms, as nobody has that as a standard flight path.

Honestly, I'm starting to doubt it went anywhere near the Indian Ocean.

 

[SeatBackForward]

But presumably they'd know the standard flight paths of the commercial traffic. A small deviation from that path might not raise an alarm, but seeing something veer so far off course probably would?

Assuming that MH370 did in fact turn down into the Indian Ocean, I would have thought that would have triggered all kinds of alarms, as nobody has that as a standard flight path.

Honestly, I'm starting to doubt it went anywhere near the Indian Ocean.

The Immarsat satellite data, and the Doppler shift calculations are being put forward as pretty definitive, but now that the data has been released, perhaps someone will offer a different analysis of it? Although I'm led to think, if you were an expert in that sort of thing, wouldn't you already be with Immarsat or related organisations?

The lack of any debris whatsoever is the biggest argument against the Indian ocean ditching, I wonder if any sort of visual check of the terrain over which it could've flown has been undertaken? that of itself would be a huge undertaking.

 

[DrA]

The Immarsat satellite data, and the Doppler shift calculations are being put forward as pretty definitive, but now that the data has been released, perhaps someone will offer a different analysis of it? Although I'm led to think, if you were an expert in that sort of thing, wouldn't you already be with Immarsat or related organisations?

The lack of any debris whatsoever is the biggest argument against the Indian ocean ditching, I wonder if any sort of visual check of the terrain over which it could've flown has been undertaken? that of itself would be a huge undertaking.

I have expertise in satellite data analysis (though not the kind of comms data that Immarsat collects), and I work as a university lecturer.

If I could get my hands on high resolution multispectral satellite imagery I'd certainly have a play with it to see what I could find, but I somehow doubt that the US or Chinese military who are most likely to have large coverage of this raw data are actually going to release any of it publically. They'd have to release it over such a huge area for it to be of any use, and who knows what else data analysts might find in it aside from the missing plane.

 

[docjames]

I believe that the US Government probably knows more than they are letting on, probably because they don't want others to know their capabilities.

25 years ago they tracked and found the cargo door that blew off a UA flight using their satellite technology.

Don't tell me that technology has deceased...

Bearing in mind time/location of that incident was known.

 

[whatmeworry]

Oh geez another year of searching.

MH370 Indian Ocean search could continue for another year

 

[Shorns]

If I could get my hands on high resolution multispectral satellite imagery I'd certainly have a play with it to see what I could find, .

Maybe you should go straight to GeoReasonance for that DrA, they apparently have it all plus more!

 

[Deleted member 29185]

but consider any commercial traffic as simply background noise and so weren't aware of it whatsoever.

I understand your logic, but not entirely sure I agree with your conclusion. 9/11 was the most insidious attack on the US in recent history. The weapon of choice was commercial airliners. Even though this disappearance is nowhere near populous US territories, I'd be pretty convinced the US military would indeed have more than a fleeting interest in a large commercial jet deviating dramatically from it's planned flight path, remembering that crashing an aircraft is not the only thing that can happen, stealing it for other purposes is also a consideration the spooks would have to factor into their activities.

Perhaps I'm a bit too much like the yanks and believe incorrectly their military capabilities doesn't have flaws...................

 

[OATEK]

I understand your logic, but not entirely sure I agree with your conclusion. 9/11 was the most insidious attack on the US in recent history. The weapon of choice was commercial airliners. Even though this disappearance is nowhere near populous US territories, I'd be pretty convinced the US military would indeed have more than a fleeting interest in a large commercial jet deviating dramatically from it's planned flight path, remembering that crashing an aircraft is not the only thing that can happen, stealing it for other purposes is also a consideration the spooks would have to factor into their activities.

Perhaps I'm a bit too much like the yanks and believe incorrectly their military capabilities doesn't have flaws...................

For the US to know that a flight was deviating, they would have to monitor every (commercial) flight and know the flight path. They then have to link the aircraft and transponder to that flight number, taking off from an airport on the other side of the world, and then have some sort of settings that hit a flag of the aircraft veered off course, or when the transponder is turned off. personally, I find it hard to give the US that much credit.

 

[Himeno]

For the US to know that a flight was deviating, they would have to monitor every (commercial) flight and know the flight path. They then have to link the aircraft and transponder to that flight number, taking off from an airport on the other side of the world, and then have some sort of settings that hit a flag of the aircraft veered off course, or when the transponder is turned off. personally, I find it hard to give the US that much credit.

They might not do it in real time, but I'm sure some part of the US government keeps track of that data and can go through it should they feel the need.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

For the US to know that a flight was deviating, they would have to monitor every (commercial) flight and know the flight path. They then have to link the aircraft and transponder to that flight number, taking off from an airport on the other side of the world, and then have some sort of settings that hit a flag of the aircraft veered off course, or when the transponder is turned off. personally, I find it hard to give the US that much credit.

To be fair, I wasn't talking about the technology, just whether or not they might have an interest to do so.

As for the technology, I have no doubt whatsoever that it can be done. Greater tasks are becoming more widespread. For example facial technology. Imagine how much computing needs to be done to take a video of a crowd of people and then recognise facial features and then cross match to a data base. Closer to home, what about the traffic monitoring cameras we now see popping up on highways monitoring vehicle speed and movements? If anyone was prepared to spend the money, aircraft tacking would be entirely possible in the main. (IMHO of course)

 

[whatmeworry]

Emirates boss questioning why fighter jets were not sent to intercept.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Where were the fighters, asks Emirates chief

 

[Meggsy]

Interesting theory or crackpot conspiracy theorist.
Missing Flight MH 370 - Explosive Account That Plane Shot Down | Neon Nettle

 

[HarryB]

Interesting theory or crackpot conspiracy theorist.
Missing Flight MH 370 - Explosive Account That Plane Shot Down | Neon Nettle

Umm ... Crackpot. In fact, so very crackpot that it's not even worth laughing at.

 

[OATEK]

Interesting report today - suggests it was flying out over Indian Ocean on fire: MH370 search: British sailor may have seen Malaysia Airlines jet on fire

 

[markis10]

Interesting report today - suggests it was flying out over Indian Ocean on fire: MH370 search: British sailor may have seen Malaysia Airlines jet on fire

Read that, find it odd that a report was only recent.