MH 777 missing - MH370 media statement

[NM]

So who pays for all the fuel used by the search aircraft form each country? I assume the RAAF pays for the fuel for their P3s, but who hands over the credit card for the fuel in the US, NZ, JP etc aircraft also joining the operation? Does each operating entity (USAF, RNZAF etc) pick up their own fuel costs? AU government because its in the AU SAR zone? Obviously its not a roadblock to the operation, but I am just curious.

 

[defurax]

So who pays for all the fuel used by the search aircraft form each country? I assume the RAAF pays for the fuel for their P3s, but who hands over the credit card for the fuel in the US, NZ, JP etc aircraft also joining the operation? Does each operating entity (USAF, RNZAF etc) pick up their own fuel costs? AU government because its in the AU SAR zone? Obviously its not a roadblock to the operation, but I am just curious.

I would imagine that part of the costs are covered by MH insurer

 

[anat0l]

So who pays for all the fuel used by the search aircraft form each country? I assume the RAAF pays for the fuel for their P3s, but who hands over the credit card for the fuel in the US, NZ, JP etc aircraft also joining the operation? Does each operating entity (USAF, RNZAF etc) pick up their own fuel costs? AU government because its in the AU SAR zone? Obviously its not a roadblock to the operation, but I am just curious.

I would imagine that part of the costs are covered by MH insurer

I have to say my guess would've been each entity pays for its own aircraft. So the US pay for their own aircraft, the NZ pay for their own aircraft, and so on.

It's a bit like if random people came along to join a search party. They don't really get recompensed and BYO flash light, shovel and so on.

From the manner in which the Australian government jumped on quickly to help the search effort off the west coast, it doesn't seem to give off the impression that the Malaysians or Malaysia Airlines should be expecting a fuel bill from Australia any time soon.

I also remember QF putting out that A330 to search for that lady who sent distress signals after she was trying to sail around the world. Seems convention was not to pass on any sort of bill (unless it was also a poor PR thing to demand a bill from either the lady or her home country).

 

[markis10]

So who pays for all the fuel used by the search aircraft form each country? I assume the RAAF pays for the fuel for their P3s, but who hands over the credit card for the fuel in the US, NZ, JP etc aircraft also joining the operation? Does each operating entity (USAF, RNZAF etc) pick up their own fuel costs? AU government because its in the AU SAR zone? Obviously its not a roadblock to the operation, but I am just curious.

Australia is responsible for all costs of the operation in its area of responsibility.

 

[drron]

For a little light relief some of the US coverage of Australia and surrounds-
American news networks screw up their geography and call Tony Abbott “Prime Minister John Abbot” | News.com.au

 

[Robbi]

Why is the number 7 so prevalent in aircraft disasters?

Lots of Boeing aircraft perhaps!

 

[burmans]

[MOD HAT ON]

Unless comments are directly pertinent to the discussion here (MH370), it will be deleted or moved to the other thread. This is not a thread to debate the reasons why things were said by Politicians. This is not the time or place.

DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR????

(Thinking time)

Good, I just wouldn't want anybody to be confused. Now that the position is crystal clear, as you were..
[MOD HAT OFF]

So does this apply to Malaysian Politicians too as it seems we had no issue with slagging them off without MOD intervention?

 

[QF WP]

Mod attention is brought be either one reading posts and realizing a breach of the ToS, or members using the "report this post" function (where we all receive an email).

Therefore, any improper posts regarding Malaysian political figures must have slipped past all of us

 

[Sprucegoose]

Australia is responsible for all costs of the operation in its area of responsibility.

which is about 1/12th of the worlds surface if I am not mistaken

 

[maninblack]

What is the actual reason why the particular area of the Indian Ocean being searched is thought to be where this aircraft has ended up? What is the actual 'intelligence' here?

 

[RooFlyer]

Australia is responsible for all costs of the operation in its area of responsibility.

Not including running costs of Chinese warships and the like, surely?

 

[Mal]

Not including running costs of Chinese warships and the like, surely?

I doubt it. Merchant ships for example have it as part of their duty. I don't believe they are compensated (but could be.... )

 

[markis10]

Not including running costs of Chinese warships and the like, surely?

Australia is responsible for all costs for any assets it tasks onto a search, if presented with the bill. With the exception of private organisations, I understand a bill is rarely presented. Ships diverting into the search area are not tasked as such.

 

[markis10]

AMSA update

Search operations in the Southern Indian Ocean for the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft will continue
today in the Australian Search and Rescue Region.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) has tasked three RAAF P3 Orion aircraft, a New
Zealand P3 RAAF Orion aircraft and two ultra long range commercial jets to search a 36,000 square
kilometre area about 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth today.

The two commercial jets and a RAAF P3 Orion will be the first aircraft to depart from Perth for the search
area. These aircraft are due for departure around 9am AEDT.

A total of 10 State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers from Western Australia have been tasked as air
observers on the commercial jets today. Yesterday, seven SES volunteers from Victoria were also
tasked as air observers. AMSA runs a training program across the country to train SES volunteers in air
observation for searches such as this.

Two merchant ships are now currently in the search area.

A total of six merchant ships have assisted in the search since a shipping broadcast was issued by
AMSA on Monday night.

The current search area has been identified based on satellite data imagery from the Australian
Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation (AGO) provided to AMSA on Thursday morning.

Analysis of the imagery by AGO identified two objects possibly relating to the missing aircraft. The
images have been assessed as being credible but it is possible they do not relate to the search for
MH370.

The Royal Australian Navy HMAS Success is also en route to the search area and is due in the area late
this afternoon.

To date, no sightings have been reported.

 

[prozac]

which is about 1/12th of the worlds surface if I am not mistaken

Under the SAR convention the world is divided into approx. 25 plus search and rescue (SRR) regions of obligation. Australia and USA have the two largest regions followed by Chile, Africa. Liaison with neighbours is meant to be promoted by this convention and whilst Australia conducts joint exercises with the likes of Indonesia I have not heard mention their involvement in this search. Mind you Indonesia shirks it's SOLAS commitments, not responding whenever refugee vessels are in distress even in their own maritime region.

There are around 5 conventions governing search and rescue commitments and I would think the main one in this instance would be SOLAS convention as it is considered the aircraft is now in the ocean.

 

[markis10]

Under the SAR convention the world is divided into approx. 25 plus search and rescue (SRR) regions of obligation. Australia and USA have the two largest regions followed by Chile, Africa. Liaison with neighbours is meant to be promoted by this convention and whilst Australia conducts joint exercises with the likes of Indonesia I have not heard mention their involvement in this search.

Indonesia had 5 warships and a helicopter involved earlier, when the straits of Malacca were the focus. As their defence force is essentially littoral in nature, they are unsuited to supporting deep ocean long transit work that's now involved.

 

[prozac]

I doubt it. Merchant ships for example have it as part of their duty. I don't believe they are compensated (but could be.... )

It's a SOLAS commitment. I am not sure if it is possible for shipowners to insure against this likelihood as the big marine insurers could also be beneficiaries of SAR operations. The losers in this instance would be the owners of the carried freight due to delays in receiving their goods. (just saying...)

 

[medhead]

which is about 1/12th of the worlds surface if I am not mistaken

Along with 1/12th of the world's underwater resources

 

[drron]

Supposedly the transcript from MH370 and ground stations here-
Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph

 

[medhead]

What is the actual reason why the particular area of the Indian Ocean being searched is thought to be where this aircraft has ended up? What is the actual 'intelligence' here?

Have a bit of a read of the thread? Well Markis10 posted a link to a pretty good summary. Here is the picture. Sorry I don't have the credit for the person who made the picture but it is in thread. On too of that There is some satellite imagery that Australia has used.

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