Maximising SC Earn on Partner Flights

[AustraliaPoochie]

VOA for Aussies is the Visa on Arrival fee to Indonesia.
Stright transit does not have this, but to earn the most SC, best to have an unliked trip Aus -> Indonesia -> KUL -> ICN.
If I was interested in going to ICN with MH, doing the Aus to DPS, on QF or JQ with a bundle, then separate, would do for SC earn.
But if you feel its inaccurate, thats your prerogative.
160 QFF SC for DPS -> KUL -> ICN with MH J is a good earn rate.
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Only the more expensive D, C and J Business fares credit at full Business rates - but these fares generally offer poor $/SC value.

Flying MH with a QFF, even in D, C or J full business fare, in QFF will still earn as fleyY on the QFF calculator, if you put in MH as operating airline, on Aus linked MH flights.

 

[MG1]

Thank you to both @sudoer and @AustraliaPoochie for your responses.

So, the way I understand this is - if it's linked with a QF flight (or is direct competition with a QF flight), the MH earn rate will be greatly reduced. However, if the MH flight is unlinked and doesn't involve an Australian airport (the example used being DPS-KUL-ICN), then it'll get treated as intra-Asia and therefore earn at a good rate (in this case 160 SCs for J (which, I agree, is pretty good)); have I understood this correctly?

Lastly, is it correct that JQ no longer flies their B787s to DPS (and use them on their longer flights now), which, in turn, means no JQ "business" to DPS?

 

[sudoer]

160 QFF SC for DPS -> KUL -> ICN with MH J is a good earn rate.

That's like saying SYD-LHR in QF F has a "good earn rate" simply because you can earn a high number of SC.

You've neglected to factor the $ cost. DPS-KUL-ICN on MH becomes far less attractive once you see the cost of a J/C/D fare on MH.

This is why I suggested DPS-HKG-ICN on CX in post 35. QFF does not limit CX discount business fares in the same way it does to MH.

However, if the MH flight is unlinked and doesn't involve an Australian airport (the example used being DPS-KUL-ICN), then it'll get treated as intra-Asia and therefore earn at a good rate (in this case 160 SCs for J (which, I agree, is pretty good)); have I understood this correctly?

No. I've covered this already. The cheap (Z and I class) MH Business fares do not earn at Business rates, even on intra Asia flights.

@AustraliaPoochie I know you have good intentions, but your posts in this thread have done nothing more than confuse and mislead.

 

[XavierP]

Thanks for this clarification @sudoer.

 

[MG1]

That's like saying SYD-LHR in QF F has a "good earn rate" simply because you can earn a high number of SC.

You've neglected to factor the $ cost. DPS-KUL-ICN on MH becomes far less attractive once you see the cost of a J/C/D fare on MH.

This is why I suggested DPS-HKG-ICN on CX in post 35. QFF does not limit CX discount business fares in the same way it does to MH.



No. I've covered this already. The cheap (Z and I class) MH Business fares do not earn at Business rates, even on intra Asia flights.

@AustraliaPoochie I know you have good intentions, but your posts in this thread have done nothing more than confuse and mislead.

@sudoer, thank you for the clarification. So, to clarify, if I'm looking to credit intra-Asia flights to by QFF account, without being penalised, using my ICN example, you're saying that I should consider CX DPS-HKG-ICN rather than MH DPS-KUL-ICN?

So, I should treat the QF calculator with a grain of salt then (as it lists CX DPS-HKG-ICN in J as 140 SCs (80+60) and MH DPS-KUL-ICN in J as 160 SCs (60+100))? If so, then at least I know to place too much trust in it.

I also take your point about comparing the SCs to $ - that to is also important.

 

[jase05]

@sudoer, thank you for the clarification. So, to clarify, if I'm looking to credit intra-Asia flights to by QFF account, without being penalised, using my ICN example, you're saying that I should consider CX DPS-HKG-ICN rather than MH DPS-KUL-ICN?

So, I should treat the QF calculator with a grain of salt then (as it lists CX DPS-HKG-ICN in J as 140 SCs (80+60) and MH DPS-KUL-ICN in J as 160 SCs (60+100))? If so, then at least I know to place too much trust in it.

I also take your point about comparing the SCs to $ - that to is also important.

You need to find out what fare class the MH flights book into to be able to properly calculate SC’s. As mentioned above MH Business fares are often Z and I class and these earn at a reduced rate with QF

 

[sudoer]

So, to clarify, if I'm looking to credit intra-Asia flights to by QFF account, without being penalised, using my ICN example, you're saying that I should consider CX DPS-HKG-ICN rather than MH DPS-KUL-ICN?

Yes. Hopefully the table below helps - CX will give you a lower $ per SC rate than MH.



Not to mention you'll be flying on nicer planes, with better food, and have access to better transit lounges...

So, I should treat the QF calculator with a grain of salt then (as it lists CX DPS-HKG-ICN in J as 140 SCs (80+60) and MH DPS-KUL-ICN in J as 160 SCs (60+100))? If so, then at least I know to place too much trust in it.

The QF calculator is correct (not always, but in this case it is.)

Your confusion seems to stem from QF's concept of 'earn categories'. On Qantas partner airlines, you don't always earn SC based on the cabin you fly in, but rather the fare & route that you book. In this instance, a Z class MH discount Business fare will only earn QFF SC at Flexible Economy rates, even though the flight itself is in Business class.

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/earn-points/airline-earning-tables/earn-category-tables.html

 

[XavierP]

Yes. Hopefully the table below helps - CX will give you a lower $ per SC rate than MH.

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Not to mention you'll be flying on nicer planes, with better food, and have access to better transit lounges...



The QF calculator is correct (not always, but in this case it is.)

Your confusion seems to stem from QF's concept of 'earn categories'. On Qantas partner airlines, you don't always earn SC based on the cabin you fly in, but rather the fare & route that you book. In this instance, a Z class MH discount Business fare will only earn QFF SC at Flexible Economy rates, even though the flight itself is in Business class.

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/earn-points/airline-earning-tables/earn-category-tables.html

This is REALLY helpful and thank you for taking the time to do the table. It has really helped me to see this now and the comparison is gold!