LONE4 starting from SWP hitting and SAM is LONE5?

[vt]

Hi all,

This is my itinery:
MEL-LAX-LIM,LPB-SCL-EZE,GIG-JFK-LHR-DXB-LHR-IST-LHR-HKG-PEK-HKG-KUL-HKG-PER-ADL-MEL,SYD-BME-SYD

MEL-LAX-LIM and GIG-JFK-LHR is transit.

AA are saying this is a LONE5 instead of a LONE4 as I start from SWP and travel in SAM. There basis is that the xONEx tickets have a minumun of 3 continents which are NAM, ASA and EUR. Starting from SWP adds 1 continent and travel to SAM adds another.

Is this correct?

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Yup that routing is a LONE5. If you go to Europe directly from South America AND to South America directly from SWP then you can do it on a LONE4. Eg SYD-SCL-LIM, LPB-SCL-EZE,GIG-LHR-...

Starting from NZ is a bit cheaper than from Australia.

I don't think you can do SYD-BME-SYD. Needs to be PER-BME-SYD vv.

 

[vt]

there is a seasonal SYD-BME-SYD flight

QF1040 and QF1043

 

[serfty]

there is a seasonal SYD-BME-SYD flight ...

With a xONEx, more than one BME-MEL/SYD segment is specifically excluded.

FLIGHT APPLICATION

...

WITHIN AUSTRALIA ONLY ONE NONSTOP/SINGLE PLANE SERVICE FLIGHT IS PERMITTED BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING POINTS
- BNE/CNS/SYD/MEL - PER
- MEL/SYD - DRW
- MEL/SYD - BME

 

[vt]

ouch

back to the drawing board then

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

That's why I suggested PER-BME-SYD. Sorry I didn't have the rules handy when I posted.

 

[vt]

thats ok...

I am now rescheduling so that I do not touch NAM in so saving abuot $700 for a LONE4 rather than a LONE5

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Is AA RTW desk contradicting the advice given on AFF (this thread) and FT (link)?

 

[vt]

I was just trying to clarify of a xONEx had to count EUR/NAM/ASA regardless.

It has been bothering me hearing AA RTW Desk saying a xONEx ticket must "count" NAM/EUR/ASA

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I think you misunderstood. You need to have a minimum of 3 continents, and due to the OW network, IF you have a xONE3 they must be Europe, North America and Asia. There is no other combination of 3 continents that are possible.

If you have a xONE4 then there are a few different combinations of continents that are possible.

 

[vt]

Thats exactly what I thought. Seems it is a case of some agent interpreting the rules a bit differently.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Thats exactly what I thought. Seems it is a case of some agent interpreting the rules a bit differently.

Just a thought, but it is going to be tricky getting AA to ticket this since there will be no AA flights on SWP-SAM-EUR-AS-SWP routing.

 

[Dave Noble]

Just a thought, but it is going to be tricky getting AA to ticket this since there will be no AA flights on SWP-SAM-EUR-AS-SWP routing.

I have had no issues getting AA to issue ATWs which have had no AA component

Dave

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I have had no issues getting AA to issue ATWs which have had no AA component

Dave

That is surprising. They don't get any revenue from issuing if they have no flights.

*A RTWs specifically have a rule that can only be ticketed on an airline in the itinerary.