Kogan Mobile - Game Changer? [Gone!]

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Just in from Kogan:

[h=1]Kogan Mobile Announcement[/h]

19 August 2013
Dear Kogan Mobile Customers,
Important update concerning the continuity of your Kogan Mobile Service
As a challenger brand, we’re used to being up against some of the biggest companies in the world to get the best deal for our customers. We’ve successfully disrupted entire industries, with our low margin, high volume technology business.
While the launch of Kogan Mobile was a success for consumers, securing a great deal on mobile access at an unbeatable price, not everyone in the industry was happy about it.
We have fought hard for the Australian consumer, spending countless hours and millions of dollars in legal and administrative costs to defend your right to a fair deal! Our intention from day one was to build a long-term, sustainable, and value-based alternative to the big telcos. We believe technology makes the world a better place, which is why we have fought hard for better value mobile deals for everyone in Australia. The endless negotiations, and even the occasional visit to the Supreme Court to protect your interests and ensure that you continue to get the best deal have worked, until today.
There are forces at play in the Australian telecommunications market that are beyond our control, very powerful, and impossible to ignore. When over 100,000 people took their services to Kogan Mobile, in such a short space of time, it attracted a lot of attention. Unfortunately and frustratingly, it appears like the telco heavyweights may be determined to take their former customers back and they may be prepared to do so by force.
We believe that fair and open competition is great for consumers, but unfortunately that competition is being forcefully limited today.
In our email last week, we advised that Kogan Mobile had recently become aware of the following -

  • Telstra is in dispute with ispONE, Telstra’s sole distributor of prepaid 3G mobile services and Kogan Mobile’s essential supplier
  • Telstra had taken steps to terminate its contract with ispONE. If Telstra terminates its contract with ispONE, this would be very likely to impact Kogan Mobile’s own customers’ services (through no fault of Kogan Mobile)
  • ispONE had commenced proceedings against Telstra in the Federal Court and obtained a short term injunction to restrain Telstra from terminating its contract with ispONE
  • The Federal Court ordered Telstra and ispONE to attend mediation. Although not party to the Federal Court proceedings, Kogan Mobile was permitted to (and did) attend the mediation
We now understand the mediation between Telstra and ispONE failed to achieve a satisfactory result for Telstra. Telstra has today notified Kogan Mobile that it will be terminating the supply of 3G Prepaid Mobile services to its wholesale reseller ispONE within 24 hours, and has established a transition arrangement in respect of your service. Kogan Mobile understands that ispONE has appointed voluntary administrators today.
Kogan Mobile has tried to do everything it can to protect its customers. However, contrary to our numerous and concerted efforts to persuade Telstra to maintain and support Kogan Mobile's arrangements with Telstra's sole distributor, ispONE, Telstra has advised that it will terminate the 3G Prepaid Mobile services to Kogan Mobile. This will impact the continuity of your service, and those of other Kogan Mobile customers. While the timing and nature of the transition arrangements are dictated by Telstra, Kogan Mobile has negotiated the optimal arrangements that Telstra would allow.
While this matter is entirely out of the control of Kogan Mobile, we nevertheless sincerely apologise for any inconvenience that these transition arrangements may cause to you. Importantly, Kogan Mobile customers who have remaining credit at the time their services are terminated by Telstra will have their entire remaining balance refunded to them by Kogan Mobile. The refund amount shall be calculated as the pro-rata amount remaining on the date of deactivation of service.
[h=3]We’re Devastated[/h]We are extremely upset to have to bring you this news. We set out with the aim to make mobile services in Australia more affordable for all, and were well on the way to achieving this goal. The migration to Kogan Mobile was one of the biggest in Australian telecommunication history. As we lowered the prices for services, we were happy and so were our customers - but not everybody in the industry was pleased with what we were doing.
As you may have seen recently, many companies have fallen out of the prepaid unlimited market. We’re afraid that due to certain industry dynamics, this is a sign of things to come. We’re concerned that it won’t be long before your choice as a consumer is eroded almost completely. We worry that the big telcos in Australia will continue their consolidation of power. Inevitably, this will mean higher prices. We’re not happy about this but at this stage it’s not something we can do anything about. Kogan Mobile has been muscled out of the mobile industry against our will by a force much bigger and much stronger than us.
[h=3]What will happen to my mobile number?[/h]Don’t worry, your number is safe! Your mobile number will stay active for 180 days from today. You will be able to transfer (port) your phone number to another provider at any time for the next 180 days.
[h=3]What does this mean?[/h]Based on information provided to us by Telstra, we understand that the following will be the transition arrangements that Telstra will enforce -

  • Within the next 24 hours, Kogan Mobile customers will be unable to activate new services, or recharge existing services
  • In the coming weeks, you can expect to receive an SMS from Telstra advising you that your service will cease within a limited period (up to 60 days), but not before you receive a second SMS advising that there are 7 days to change (port) your number to an alternate provider
  • During this period, you will be able to use your existing service and consume your existing credit
  • Telstra will then send a second SMS at some stage during the 60 day transition period, which will advise that there are 20 minutes of calls and 20 SMS remaining credit available for use within 7 days to Australian numbers, while data services, international calls, international SMS and MMS will be excluded. You will continue to be able to retrieve your voicemail messages during this 7 Day Plan and for up to 10 days afterwards.
  • For 180 days from today, customers will still be able to receive calls, receive SMS and transfer (port) their mobile numbers and make emergency calls at any time for 6 months thereafter. If your service has not ported out after the 6 month period, the service will be cancelled by Telstra
  • Kogan Mobile recommends that, upon receiving the second SMS from Telstra, you take action to transfer (port) your mobile number to another provider, or otherwise make arrangements for continuity of your mobile service. We also encourage customers to plan ahead for receipt of the second SMS from Telstra by acquiring a new SIM card from another provider as soon as possible.
  • On behalf of our customers, we are currently seeking to negotiate some deals with several leading mobile phone providers. We will keep you informed about any special offers we manage to negotiate on your behalf and which you may wish to take up.
[h=3]What will happen to the unused credit I've paid for?[/h]Once you have ported your number to another provider, or your service otherwise ceases, Kogan Mobile will, of course, refund to you the unused portion of your Access Period back to the credit card or Paypal account that you originally paid with.
As a consequence of Telstra’s termination of the 3G Prepaid Mobile services, the Kogan Mobile customer service team is likely to be inundated with calls and emails, and is likely to take longer than normal to respond. We will provide further email updates to answer your most common questions, and will provide you with further information as it comes to hand.
If you have an urgent enquiry, please email [email protected] and we will respond as quickly as we can.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.
For ease of reference, this is a copy of the email we sent you on Tuesday 13th August:

Thank you for joining us on the journey to make mobile access in Australia more affordable. We entered the mobile industry in order to increase competition and give consumers more choice and better value. Since starting Kogan Mobile, we are proud to now serve more than 115,000 active customers.
We have fought hard for the Australian consumer – there have been endless negotiations and even the occasional visit to the Supreme Court to protect our customers’ interests and ensure that our customers continue to get the best deals. However, there are forces at play in the Australian telecommunications market that are beyond our control, very powerful and impossible to ignore.
You may be aware that we procure our mobile services for part of the Telstra 3G Network through Telstra’s sole and approved distributor – ispONE. ispONE is the only company in Australia that wholesales Telstra’s Prepaid 3G Services and is essential to the operation of our and any business through that network. Telstra’s Prepaid 3G Network is not integrated with any other wholesale platform, other than ispONE’s.
Since day one, Kogan Mobile has complied with all its obligations to its service providers. We keep our agreements. We have paid every invoice on time or early. Like our customers, we expect our service providers to deliver what they have been paid for.
Kogan Mobile has recently become aware of the following -

  • Telstra is in dispute with ispONE, Telstra’s sole distributor of prepaid 3G mobile services and Kogan Mobile’s essential supplier
  • Telstra has taken steps to terminate its contract with ispONE. If Telstra terminates its contract with ispONE this is very likely to impact Kogan Mobile’s own customers’ services (through no fault of Kogan Mobile)
  • ispONE has commenced proceedings against Telstra in the Federal Court and obtained a short term injunction to restrain Telstra from terminating its contract with ispONE
  • The Federal Court ordered Telstra and ispONE to attend mediation. Although not party to the Federal Court proceedings, Kogan Mobile is permitted to (and will) attend the mediation
Kogan Mobile is doing everything it can to protect its customers.
We are monitoring these developments closely, as they may affect the continuity of our prepaid mobile services. We will provide a further update when further information comes to hand.
You may also wish to contact Telstra directly and ask Telstra what it intends to do in respect of its wholesale prepaid mobile business and customers’ mobile telephone services if it achieves its goal of terminating its contractual arrangements with ispONE.
Kindest regards,
Kogan Mobile
 
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It looks as if Kogan Mobile users are not being hung out to dry with a while to port their phone number, use credit, and get a refund. This will certainly test Kogan's customer service department and reputation.
 
Good to see Kogan is giving everyone refunds, and sticking it up the big boys at the same time.
 
Boost mobile will attack very hard now.

One of Telstra sub brands.
 
Id hate to be on the help desk right now...

I do wonder though, has the coverage been spun the wrong way? Is Telstra predatory or is there much that we aren't privy to.

PS. Reselling a service that is out of your control (x2) is rarely a safe way of doing business...
 
Interesting piece on what has happened with the middle man grossly underestimating the amount of data Kogan customers would use but having to foot the bill:
Very interesting reading indeed - very interesting. Think I am going to have to change my name to Cruiser Damus - I told you guys this was a game changer.
 
This was something that was discussed at a telco meeting that there is good revenue and bad revenue.

Obviously Kogan/ispOne got more customers and then made bad revenue.

This is why the Telco's are trying to change the game.

BYO plans are being pushed more and more now and giving better value to the consumer.

How expensive it is for a network to give you a $800 phone and then you only pay $70 odd dollars per month over 2 years and get unlimited texts and $600 worth of calls every month.
 
Latest Update:

[h=1]Kogan Mobile Announcement[/h]

21 August 2013
IMPORTANT: To ensure you get maximum value for your Kogan Mobile service and to be eligible for your optimal pro-rata refund, we recommend that you do not transfer/port your service to another provider until you receive a second text message from Telstra.
Your service will stay active and fully functional until you receive a second text message from Telstra advising that you have been placed on the "7 Day Plan". We do not recommend that you transfer/port your service until you receive this second message from Telstra.
Based on constraints applied by Telstra on the transition process, to get maximum value out of your service, we recommend the following:
Our recommendation:

  1. Decide which service provider you wish to transfer your service to and acquire a sim card from that service provider and have it ready to go.
  2. Continue to use your service as per usual until you receive the second text message from Telstra.
  3. The second text message from Telstra advising you have been placed on a "7 Day Plan" will read like this:
    "Telstra Wholesale sent you a message that Kogan Mobile services are no longer supported. You have 20 voice mins & 20 SMS to Australian numbers for the next 7 days, then your service will end. Data, international calls, MMS are not available. More info Telstra Wholesale - Pre-paid mobile service status. Contact Kogan for support."​
  4. When you receive the second text message (above) from Telstra advising you are now on the "7 Day Plan", you should immediately start to transfer your service. The transfer/porting process usually takes 1-2 hours but can sometimes take 24-72 hours if there is congestion in Australia's Telecommunication System.
The above recommendations will ensure that you get maximum value for your Kogan Mobile service within the constraints applied by Telstra on the transition process.
Please note: The following message you may have received from Telstra does not yet affect your service. Your Kogan Mobile service will continue to function as per normal. The first SMS you receive from Telstra will look like this:
"An important message from Telstra Wholesale about your mobile service. Kogan Mobile services are no longer supported. You can't recharge but your number remains active for voice calls & SMS. Find out at Telstra Wholesale - Pre-paid mobile service status about how you can keep your number & transfer your mobile service to another provider. Contact Kogan Mobile for support."​
You do not have to take any action after receiving the message above.
 
This was something that was discussed at a telco meeting that there is good revenue and bad revenue.

Obviously Kogan/ispOne got more customers and then made bad revenue.

This is why the Telco's are trying to change the game.

BYO plans are being pushed more and more now and giving better value to the consumer.

How expensive it is for a network to give you a $800 phone and then you only pay $70 odd dollars per month over 2 years and get unlimited texts and $600 worth of calls every month.

Telcos are in the telco game, whereas Kogan, Aldi and so on are not. For them it's not about massive margins on handset or 24 month contracts but in perceived customer value and loyalty to the 'overall' brand. They have other businesses which benefit from having that customer in at a low rate in another area of the business. This can be worth much more than a simple 'sugar and flour' business the tier1's run.

We need disruptive models like kogan to shake things up, but ultimately Telstra needs to keep those 10% dividend cheques flowing through so it's understandable how things panned out.

I think this is good news for Boost..... and perhaps Ruslan's ego :eek:
 
Aldi has stopped selling SIMS online - perhaps they were getting swamped with ex Kogan refugees!
 
Latest offering from Kogan received in email this morn:





Hi Cruiser Elite
To help you transition, we've secured an exclusive deal on your behalf!
This exclusive and FREE 30 day offer gives you:
- Unlimited Talk
- Unlimited SMS
- 6GB Data
- FREE SIM with Free Delivery

Risk-Free, No Commitments. Limited time only.
To claim this exclusive offer, you must use your personal single-use promo code:

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Click here for full details.


Kindest regards,
The Kogan Mobile Team

This offer is brought to you by Yatango Mobile (Australia) Pty Ltd
 
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Yatango is powered by Optus.

If you want Telstra Coverage go to Boost.

$40 per month unlimited calls and Texts and also 3GB of data.

We use it for one of our company phone and it has saved us a fortune.

On a bad day the user of the phone would make 4 hours of calls plus.

Generally they are to either 1300's or mobiles on all networks.
 
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Unless you are big talker / sms. Then the woolies sim is the best: $250 in any calls + $250 Optus calls + 5gb data and only $27 with woolies everyday card and you get 45 days access.
 
Unless you are big talker / sms. Then the woolies sim is the best: $250 in any calls + $250 Optus calls + 5gb data and only $27 with woolies everyday card and you get 45 days access.

Dollar wise its OK but coverage and contention is terrible.
 
Unless you are big talker / sms. Then the woolies sim is the best: $250 in any calls + $250 Optus calls + 5gb data and only $27 with woolies everyday card and you get 45 days access.

$250 worth of calls is not a lot of calls, Texts????
 
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