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Jetstar sees Europe as ripe with potential

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www.iht.com said:

Jetstar sees Europe as ripe with potential

By Vesna Poljak Bloomberg News
Published: October 16, 2006

SYDNEY Jetstar Airways, the discount carrier owned by Qantas Airways, may focus on Europe to expand its international flights, the airline's chief executive officer, Alan Joyce, said.

Jetstar, which is as much as 50 percent cheaper to run than Qantas, is considering services to cities including Paris, Rome and Athens, in addition to destinations it has already flagged, when international flights begin next month.

"The potential for the group to increase its footprint back into Europe using the Jetstar cost base is very important both strategically and, from our perspective, from a profitability point of view," Joyce said in an interview in Melbourne on Friday. "Qantas had in the past not been able to make money outside of London and Frankfurt."

Jetstar was created more than two years ago to recover domestic market share lost to Virgin Blue Holdings, Australia's second-biggest airline. Qantas, the largest airline in Australia, is relying on Jetstar to win back international passengers lost to rivals like Singapore Airlines and Emirates Airline, which have cut Qantas's market share 11 percent in the past 10 years.


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There is a bit of info on the 787-8 and 787-9's that Jetstar will be using in the article.

I also saw the following article online a few days ago:

People's Daily Online -- MAS to help train Jetstar pilots for long haul flight

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) will help Jetstar, the Australian-based low-fare carrier, to train 12 Jetstar pilots for long-haul flight.

MAS and Jetstar, a subsidiary under Qantas Group Airline, signed an agreement on Friday at MAS's Flight Crew Training Center in Subang near Kuala Lumpur, according to a statement released here by MAS.

The Malaysian national carrier said in the statement that the training would support Jetstar's final preparations as it moved into long-haul international operations to Southeast Asia and the Asia-Pacific region, which would start from Nov. 23.

Jetstar's Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce said Jetstar was pleased to use the center to help support its move into long-haul flying, according to the statement.

MAS's Operation Director Peter Read said MAS's training standards were internationally recognized and it has an excellent track record of A330-300 operations since 1991.
 

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Jetstar is as much as 50% cheaper to run than Qantas. They haven't even flown overseas yet :!:
 

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And just the other day someone mentioned Rome !!
Yep 787 for Jetstar prior to QF and QF say they don't have enough planes.
It is ALL geared to Jetstar doing all the routes except half a dozen QF routes.
 

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garyjohn951 said:
And just the other day someone mentioned Rome !!
Yep 787 for Jetstar prior to QF and QF say they don't have enough planes.
It is ALL geared to Jetstar doing all the routes except half a dozen QF routes.
Doing a little more research since I posted on another thread. The first 787 will be the -8, this is the smallest long range variant, but with JQ using 9 across seating there will be more seats than a QF 767. QF will use the 787-9, larger, for the international routes first, then moving the old long haul 767-300ER to domestic routes or retiring them, or returning the 7 dwarfs.
As more 787 join the fleet, including domestic, the 767 will be leaving. QF will then have 737-800 and 787 (8 or 9) for domestic mainline. 787-9, A330-200, A330-300, 747-400(Standard and ER) and finally A380-800 for international operations.
Qantaslink, Jetconnect have been left out of this equation.
 

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Altair said:
As more 787 join the fleet, including domestic, the 767 will be leaving. QF will then have 737-800 and 787 (8 or 9) for domestic mainline. 787-9, A330-200, A330-300, 747-400(Standard and ER) and finally A380-800 for international operations.
Qantaslink, Jetconnect have been left out of this equation.
I would not assume the A330s will always remain in the international fleet. I am expecting the A330-200s to return to domestic ops on the longer routes like SYD/MEL-PER as well as trans-Tasman (well, they are really domestic ops, arn't they?) with the 787 doing the high-capacity monorail services after the 767s have eventaully seen out their life on these domestic ops (couild be as much as 8-10 years away), and repositioning domestic ops.
 

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I would not assume the A330s will always remain in the international fleet. I am expecting the A330-200s to return to domestic ops on the longer routes like SYD/MEL-PER as well as trans-Tasman (well, they are really domestic ops, arn't they?) with the 787 doing the high-capacity monorail services after the 767s have eventaully seen out their life on these domestic ops (couild be as much as 8-10 years away), and repositioning domestic ops.
True I forgot about the A330-200 transferred to JQ. As these birds were de-rated and without a lot of costs to re-fit them to take Skybeds Mk 1 or 2, they will either go to long domestic ops or be sold off.
The reason I see the 787 go to the international fleet first, they will get the most benefit for fuel economy, better product offering to match competitors. The 767 will go to domestic as the fuel usage factor will be less and to use up the number of cycles left in the frame.
 

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Altair said:
True I forgot about the A330-200 transferred to JQ. As these birds were de-rated and without a lot of costs to re-fit them to take Skybeds Mk 1 or 2, they will either go to long domestic ops or be sold off.
The reason I see the 787 go to the international fleet first, they will get the most benefit for fuel economy, better product offering to match competitors. The 767 will go to domestic as the fuel usage factor will be less and to use up the number of cycles left in the frame.
yes indeed. I think the 763s will see out their life in the same way as the 762s did. And unfortunately they are likely to end up in similar interior condition as the last years of the 762 life.

When the ex AO 763s are being converted back to QF mainline domestic op config (Millenium seats), are they getting a general spruce up as well?
 

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NM said:
yes indeed. I think the 763s will see out their life in the same way as the 762s did. And unfortunately they are likely to end up in similar interior condition as the last years of the 762 life.

When the ex AO 763s are being converted back to QF mainline domestic op config (Millenium seats), are they getting a general spruce up as well?
There is a plus to the 763's on domestic ops. They have more overhead locker space per passenger than other aircraft.
 
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True I forgot about the A330-200 transferred to JQ. As these birds were de-rated and without a lot of costs to re-fit them to take Skybeds Mk 1 or 2, they will either go to long domestic ops or be sold off.
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Ah, dunno if this problem has been fixed now, BUT, original A330-200s did not have strong enough floors for Skybeds. Major QF F**k up at the time and a reason to dump the lowly birds onto Deathstar...
 
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Jetstar is as much as 50% cheaper to run than Qantas. They haven't even flown overseas yet :!:
Yes, indeed, a meaningless statistic!!!

You really gotta wonder if the loopy leprechaun believes his own hype. I mean, what are we talking about here, the catering, the fuel burn, the maintenance, what exactly? Suppose Qf was given the brand spanking new fuel efficient, low maintenace 787s out of Seattle, instead of struggling along with creaky antique 767s???

You also gtta wonder how these journalists manage to publish the QF/Deathstar PR press release without any critical question or evaluation.

QF share holders MUST be getting fed up of being taken for fools...surely?

Or are the shareholders that stupid too?! :p
 
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Talking of loopy leprechauns, I don't think Joyce is in the same league as Michael O'Leary.
Oh, Clifford, please don't tempt fate! We really don't want Floresian Fop believing he's O'Leary as well as believing as his own marketing hype!!!

(PS did I read somewhere that Ryan is primed to go Transatlantic?)
 
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JetStar on long haul to Europe. Yuck! Whatever the price.
If the starclass price is good, then could be a pretty decent choice especially for those that want to go to those areas in Europe that QF doesn't go to without having to go all the way to london and connect back

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Interestingly Jetstar seems (at least in the press) to be having some issues with Jetstar Pacific (Vietnam).

Blocked on getting new International routes
Told it has to find a new logo - apparently they only registered the name Jetstar Pacific, and they have now decided the logo is too similar too Jetstar Asia... duh
But then, an arm of the Vietnam Govt wants to increase allowable foreign stake to 49%

Jetstar Pacific - Google News

Methinks some negotiations going on, Vietnam style
 

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Ah, dunno if this problem has been fixed now, BUT, original A330-200s did not have strong enough floors for Skybeds. Major QF F**k up at the time and a reason to dump the lowly birds onto Deathstar...
Actually, it was not quite that straight forward, there was a stuff-up at the time, but it was not to do with weak floors and/or Skybeds:
  • Qantas originally purchased the 332's for domestic operations - generally the MEL/SYD/BNE triangle. (At the same time, the 333's were purchased for international operations.)
  • These were never purchased to bear SkyBeds (nor indeed Dreamtime seats). Millennium seating fitted fine.
  • Once operational, it turned out that the 332's could not be refuelled quickly enough for the envisaged high frequency use, making efficient turnaround impossible on the MEL/SYD/BNE routes. (This was where the "Major QF F**k up at the time" occurred.)
  • As a result Qantas decided to use them more on the longer haul domestic destinations like CNS and PER.
  • When JQi was conceived, the 332's were a very good fit for the proposed model, so Qantas passed them over to Jetstar.
  • The plan was then (and still is) to replace them with 787's - this should have started by now, but of course, the Dreamliner is at least two years behind schedule.
  • Note the recent 332's obtained by Qantas came at a very reduced price from Airbus as part compensation for the A380 delays.
 

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If the starclass price is good, then could be a pretty decent choice especially for those that want to go to those areas in Europe that QF doesn't go to without having to go all the way to london and connect back

Dave
This is exactly what I'm waiting for! starclass supposedly priced at the QF full economy fare, so about $3000 to europe (hopefully MUC) with business points earn. :D [/fingers crossed]
 

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This is exactly what I'm waiting for! starclass supposedly priced at the QF full economy fare, so about $3000 to europe (hopefully MUC) with business points earn. :D [/fingers crossed]
Given they price the Japanese routes close to $3k return for STAR class, I reckon Europe will be a bit more $$$$ prob more like 4k
 
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