Jetstar pilots to earn $100,000 less

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Could this lead to some inductrial problems in the not too distant future:

[source=http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,18160330-462,00.html]
news.com.au said:
QANTAS may be opening another industrial front with a move to pay Jetstar International captains almost $100,000 less than it pays mainline pilots in charge of existing widebody aircraft.
Pilot sources said yesterday the flying kangaroo had offered the Jetstar Pilots Council an incrementally increasing pay scale that culminated in pilots earning about $158,000 a year to fly an A330.

"That's just about a hundred grand less than a Qantas captain," the source said.
 

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I wonder how that will affect the quality of the air crew they hire given the market, not sure I want to fly an airline that is not prepared to get the best possible staff on the market, SQ's experience with Silk Air bothers me.
 

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That was one of the major reasons for JQ's beginning (i thought anyway). Bring down costs across the board and reduce wages.
 
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Supply and demand!!

Perhaps some pilots should consider becoming Doctors??
 

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Come on... sing along with Magda: "let's fly Deathstar!"

Not. :p
 

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The industry is actually suffering from a falling number in pilots. As a lot of the older flock retire there are less and less to replace them.
 

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Off Topic Comment ;)

Yada Yada said:
Come on... sing along with Magda: "let's fly Deathstar!"

Not. :p
... speaking of Wide Bodies ... :wink:
 
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The industry is actually suffering from a falling number in pilots. As a lot of the older flock retire there are less and less to replace them.

Then it will come down to supply and demand, DeathStar won't attract pilots and they will have to pay more.
 
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MetroAir said:
danielribo said:
The industry is actually suffering from a falling number in pilots. As a lot of the older flock retire there are less and less to replace them.

Then it will come down to supply and demand, DeathStar won't attract pilots and they will have to pay more.

Watch them phase out pilots entirely... it's either take it or leave it and get replaced by computers i predict with in 7 years
 

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d00t said:
MetroAir said:
danielribo said:
The industry is actually suffering from a falling number in pilots. As a lot of the older flock retire there are less and less to replace them.

Then it will come down to supply and demand, DeathStar won't attract pilots and they will have to pay more.

Watch them phase out pilots entirely... it's either take it or leave it and get replaced by computers i predict with in 7 years

Wont ever happen in Sydney, the ILS will never be full autoland thanks to the geography and the odd container park interferring with the signal!
 

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markis10 said:
d00t said:
MetroAir said:
danielribo said:
The industry is actually suffering from a falling number in pilots. As a lot of the older flock retire there are less and less to replace them.

Then it will come down to supply and demand, DeathStar won't attract pilots and they will have to pay more.

Watch them phase out pilots entirely... it's either take it or leave it and get replaced by computers i predict with in 7 years

Wont ever happen in Sydney, the ILS will never be full autoland thanks to the geography and the odd container park interferring with the signal!
On that note, in the late ninety's a collegue of mine was priviliged enough to watch an 'auto-land' from the cockpit of a 763 on the 3rd runway at SYD. :mrgreen:
 

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The pilots will always be there, the job is just changing. A plane can fly a preset course and auto-land (however it needs someone to tell it what to do) but they'll never be able to taxi themselves, communicate with ATC (it's not always just readback and follow instructions) and, most importantly, deal with abnormal situations.

Obviously, these days an aircraft only needs 2 pilots (or for smaller RPT aircraft just one) but there will always be highly trained, skilled and experienced crews in control - not just a computer.
 

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danielribo said:
The pilots will always be there, the job is just changing. A plane can fly a preset course and auto-land (however it needs someone to tell it what to do) but they'll never be able to taxi themselves, communicate with ATC (it's not always just readback and follow instructions) and, most importantly, deal with abnormal situations.
Never say never. The military can do it with UAV's, so its technically possible. But is it feasible? Not now, but who know what is feasible in 5, 10, 20 years time??
 

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it's more about the travelling public's perceptions. it will take along time to change people's view that flying without human intervention would be an idea worth considering.
 

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bigjobs said:
it's more about the travelling public's perceptions. it will take along time to change people's view that flying without human intervention would be an idea worth considering.
Who mentioned "without human intervention"? The military UAVs are flown by ground-based "pilots". With the increasing reliance on the computer systems, and the resulting reduction in workload on the flight deck, we have already seen the demise of rolls such as the flight engineer.

I am not saying that aircraft will be pilotless, but I expect to see a continued increase in the automation, resulting in a reduction in the workload on the flight deck. This may also mean the skills required to operate the aircraft are less specialised, meaning that lesser trainined and experienced people can undertake the task at a lower rate of pay.

Such changes, if they happen, will be gradual. With the cockpit doors now firmly locked, perhaps the passengers will not even realise the person sitting up front is a snotty-nosed, spotty-faced 17yo whose sole flight experience comes from hours infront of his X-Box 470, rather than the grey-haired, wrinkle-faced 60yo who thinks an x-box is where latex protective products are stored.
 

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Mainline pilots to fight plan for Jetstar expansion

A related article in the Australia 27 Feb. See http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18281412%5E2702,00.html

QANTAS pilots will fight plans by the flying kangaroo to launch a low-cost international airline, claiming they have been locked out of negotiations about pay and conditions at the new carrier.

Jetstar's new international operations are a major plank of Qantas's expansion plans and will have planes transferred from the airline's existing Qantas routes for the launch later this year.

The new carrier will also be the first member of the Qantas group to get next-generation Boeing 787 aircraft when they begin arriving in 2008.
 
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