Interesting Announcement by DJ [Virgin Blue / Air New Zealand alliance]

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So it all comes down to who it’s better to be in bed with, and I’m not being dirty!

I’d be very curious to know how many FF’s choose the ANZ option instead of JQ.
 
any people disregard DJ as a threat to QF/DJ.....
With a strong move to snare the business traveller, and no surprise now voted again, most popular carrier by Choice magazine, QF third behind REX!!! and not knocking REX b but...... it is not a surprise that DJ want to have an "arrangement " with ANZ......certainly will "annoy" QF/JQ particularly with the rating they got from Choice Magazine!!
JQ appear to be one step above TT - that is going to make heads roll in JQ!!!!!!!!
 
any people disregard DJ as a threat to QF/DJ.....
With a strong move to snare the business traveller, and no surprise now voted again, most popular carrier by Choice magazine, QF third behind REX!!! and not knocking REX b but...... it is not a surprise that DJ want to have an "arrangement " with ANZ......certainly will "annoy" QF/JQ particularly with the rating they got from Choice Magazine!!
JQ appear to be one step above TT - that is going to make heads roll in JQ!!!!!!!!

I think anyone would have to be naive to believe the fallacy that DJ is not a threat to QF (or QF/JQ).

Whilst any gong is good, only 11,000 people voted in the Choice poll. Even for the Australian travelling public, that's a poor show. Rather underwhelming result.
 
and that is the point..............
only 10,000 people.......
might be 10 people.........give coughpy service and everyone finds out about it.......note the results to the underwhelming vote as is put......
Virgin obviously value their customers and be it 100 or 10,000 - they win!
 
I think anyone would have to be naive to believe the fallacy that DJ is not a threat to QF (or QF/JQ).

Whilst any gong is good, only 11,000 people voted in the Choice poll. Even for the Australian travelling public, that's a poor show. Rather underwhelming result.

11,000 is a massive number for a poll of the population. However as it is neither random nor necessarily representative of the "backsides in seats" on planes, easy to question its statistical validity.

Nevertheless the results are not at all surprising DJ/ZL/QF in the top grouping (and really people probably expect more of QF and therefore are likely to mark them harsher), trailed by JQ and TT last. Seems pretty much spot on to me, having travelled with all 5 carriers (not last year, but certainly in the last 3 years).
 
The talk was about making them domestic, you fly say from SYD T3 and land at AKL Dom. No immigration, no AQIS \ MAF, and no Customs. (And I doubt there will still be Duty Free :()... ...
That will not happen.

The Oz Guvmnt is not going to throw away $200M+ per year on lost AU passenger duty.
 
The talk was about making them domestic, you fly say from SYD T3 and land at AKL Dom. No immigration, no AQIS \ MAF, and no Customs. (And I doubt there will still be Duty Free :()...

That will not happen.

The Oz Guvmnt is not going to throw away $200M+ per year on lost AU passenger duty.

Well that… and I can't imagine there not being any quarantine between the two countries, no matter how close they are in distance or practices.
 
Going to be very interesting if Dj end up taking NZ's ground handling at Australian ports... At the moment QF have got it, so if QF did end up losing it, there will be numerous of people that will lose their job.

Then again ACCC would have to approve what ever DJ/NZ are thinking of doing right? (in regards to codeshares etc etc)?
 
Going to be very interesting if Dj end up taking NZ's ground handling at Australian ports... At the moment QF have got it, so if QF did end up losing it, there will be numerous of people that will lose their job.

But on the flipside, DJ don't have people sitting around idle all day. So if DJ did take over NZ ground handling they would have to employ people to do so.

In any event all idle speculation as IIRC, QF still did NZ ground handling even when NZ owned AN.
 
But on the flipside, DJ don't have people sitting around idle all day. So if DJ did take over NZ ground handling they would have to employ people to do so.
Just a note on the issue of ground level employment - I am not sure about the various demarcation points where DJ Management ends & Aerocare Handling begins.
 
DJ have issued a PR:

BRISBANE and AUCKLAND, 3 May, 2010: Virgin Blue Airlines Group (ASX: VBA) and Air New Zealand Ltd (NZSX: AIR) have today announced their intention to seek regulatory approval to create an alliance on the Trans Tasman. The proposed alliance will allow the airlines to strengthen their competitive offering on the trans-Tasman route and to collaborate on future route and product planning, code sharing and frequent flyer program benefits.

Virgin Blue and Air New Zealand have had trans-Tasman teams working on the alliance proposal for some months and later today will file applications with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission and the New Zealand Ministry of Transport. The regulators are expected to take around six months to review the applications prior to authorisation.

The airline CEOs; Co-founder and Chief Executive of the Virgin Blue Airlines Group, Brett Godfrey, and Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer, Rob Fyfe; said the alliance would deliver trans-Tasman travellers cheaper airfares, increased frequency, better connections, loyalty scheme reciprocity and expanded Lounge access.
Mr Godfrey said the alliance would stimulate a new wave of competition in Australasian aviation.“A great alliance should deliver great value and consistent product and service standards and that is where we will make new inroads,” he said. “Virgin Blue is close to unveiling our ‘Airline of the Future’ concepts which in our 10th year will reveal the fresh direction of the ‘new blue’ and likewise Air New Zealand has signalled its future product and design direction.”
“This will mean more seats and more low fares than ever before on the Tasman,” Mr Godfrey said. “This market stimulation is likely to allow Air New Zealand and Virgin Blue to harness the alliance benefits to start new routes or additional frequencies.” “We believe we are well matched and the timing is good and incoming Chief Executive, John Borghetti, thoroughly supports this strategy,” he added. The airlines said that while the alliance is a significant development for both carriers, it will not impact or place restrictions on any existing partnerships or alliances of either airline.

The proposed alliance will connect regional centres in Australia and New Zealand but only as part of a Tasman journey and does not include domestic-only travel in either Australia or New Zealand. The agreement is also not a signal of intention by Air New Zealand or Virgin Blue to take a shareholding in the other.
“We are two of the world’s most innovative and nimble airlines and by working closer together we believe we can deliver significant benefits to customers and shareholders,” Mr Fyfe said. “Our alliance is about working closely together to give customers cheaper fares, increased frequency and better connections, while delivering improved returns,” he said.
“Simple moves like integrating schedules and capacity, allowing customers to book multi-sector journeys on one code, providing reciprocal loyalty scheme benefits and reciprocal lounge access for qualifying customers will be a compelling proposition for leisure and business travellers on both
sides of the Tasman.”
Mr Fyfe said that the number of seats flown on the Tasman by the alliance carriers would grow more quickly than they would without the alliance. “By combining our New Zealand customer base with the strong market presence that Virgin Blue has in Australia, additional flights and new routes will make sense much more quickly. Also, the ability to offer Air New Zealand codeshare flights to domestic destinations in Australia, and Virgin Blue codeshare flights to regional destinations in New Zealand as part of connecting Tasman journeys will be a great benefit to our frequent flyers and a boost for tourism in both countries,” Mr Fyfe said.

The proposed agreement will have four key components:
1. A broad free-sale code share arrangement covering:
 All Tasman sectors currently operated by either airline
 Domestic Australian sectors as part of a connecting Tasman journey
 Domestic New Zealand sectors as part of a connecting Tasman journey
(Note: A broad free-sale code share arrangement involves both airlines selling tickets for each other’s flights under its own airline code.)
2. A revenue allocation agreement under which:
 Revenue generated across all Tasman sectors currently operated by either airline,or which may be developed under the agreement, will be allocated between thetwo carriers, and;
 A joint trans-Tasman Network Planning & Revenue Management Team representing both airlines will oversee the Tasman operation
3. A frequent flyer co-operation agreement that will provide reciprocal loyalty scheme benefits to members of Air New Zealand’s Airpoints loyalty programme and Virgin Blue’s
Velocity Rewards programme.
4. A lounge co-operation agreement that will ensure lounge access to qualifying guests of either airline.
 
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Not that Twitter is authoritative at all, but this came through my feed just then:

Twitter / Air New Zealand: @flyairnz 's Rob Fyfe sign ...

Again, do not take as authority, but it "happened". (Well, I mean it could be Fyfe signing any ordinary piece of paper for the camera)

That's pretty vague. "Signed an agreement for an alliance" - an "alliance" of what, exactly?

Edit: Seems DJ have been a bit more forthcoming re: details....
 
The lounge access will be a big thing, especially for VA in BNE and MEL
 
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DJ have issued a PR:

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3. A frequent flyer co-operation agreement that will provide reciprocal loyalty scheme benefits to members of Air New Zealand’s Airpoints loyalty programme and Virgin Blue’s
Velocity Rewards programme.
4. A lounge co-operation agreement that will ensure lounge access to qualifying guests of either airline.

The finer details of points 3 and 4 will be v interesting. The NZ lounge offering is supposed to be quite decent - and it also neatly covers quite a few of the international ports where DJ flies from/to. See: International Lounges - Lounge Information - Koru - Airpoints - Air
 
The finer details of points 3 and 4 will be v interesting. The NZ lounge offering is supposed to be quite decent - and it also neatly covers quite a few of the international ports where DJ flies from/to. See: International Lounges - Lounge Information - Koru - Airpoints - Air

The thing I would like to know is what will happen to DJ's lounge single entry passes available for purchase ($30 if prepurchased, $35 if purchased at the airport).

Will the Koru lounge accept prepurchased single entry tickets? If so booking an AirNZ flight via the DJ website, and then pre-purchasing lounge access makes it a cheap way to still get lounge access on AirNZ TT segments without having to become a member of the Koru club, which for a couple of AirNZ segments a year doesn't make a great deal of sense.
 
The thing I would like to know is what will happen to DJ's lounge single entry passes available for purchase ($30 if prepurchased, $35 if purchased at the airport).

Will the Koru lounge accept prepurchased single entry tickets? If so booking an AirNZ flight via the DJ website, and then pre-purchasing lounge access makes it a cheap way to still get lounge access on AirNZ TT segments without having to become a member of the Koru club, which for a couple of AirNZ segments a year doesn't make a great deal of sense.

Koru lounge has always had a single entry buy at the door option if capacity allowed, however it was not $35 but $55.
 
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