Hover boards....

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Remembering of course, regardless of the nature or reason for the ban on flying with them, it's a ban....full stop. I was of the belief we are all under a lawful obligation to follow the instruction of the operating airline and staff and to argue that a "rule" does not apply to someone, (even a wealthy movie star) because of the "I know better" syndrome, or "DYKWIA" syndrome just doesn't wash.

For Russ to compare a Dreamliners set of batteries with a Chinese toy battery just demonstrates to me that he lives somewhere between reality and Neverland with the fairies. Then to further shoot himself in the foot, he claims that days after the flight, the toy has not yet caught fire! Was that simply a statement or some kind of lunatic implication? "My toy hasn't gone up in smoke within the last 48 hours so therefore the ridiculous ban is flawed and should be banned"? With logic like that, you can see why he needs a script written for him.
 
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I assume you're talking about Hoverboards here as you're posting in this thread. Plenty of fires have occurred. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=uk&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=hoverboard+fire

Charging a hoverboard - could lead to a fire, I agree many Chinese chargers are flat out unsafe - and that the ACCC and the state electrical regulations are a joke.

Discharging should never cause a fire IF designed properly. Any same govt that wants to protect its trade balance SHOULD be doing a few exploratory tests and shaming the rubbish and teaching importers to lift their game. Get out a bolometer and observe.

What USED to happen was a teardown of models to see what went wrong and WHY. This is never done or publicized. Laptop batteries became a liability when fake thermal fuses or no thermal fuses were found. Made in Japan really meant made in Thailand and falsely labeled (and still going on). Electric motors have high temperature enamel insulation. Bosche and AEG found bribery in the QC department where lesser quality insulation was used to shave cents.

When and if the TPP is signed, I hope Korea sues the **** out of TPP partners for outright bans like this.
 
When I read "Hover board" I keep thinking of Back to the Future but these aren't quite the same.

Another news story the other day of another one of these "Hover boards" catching fire. Can't be very safe.
 
Ethernet, I'm not entirely sure if you're just winding up or whether you're serious, but I'll respond like you're serious...

Define Dangerous. After all, some of these brands carry CE markings and the like.
Do you understand the CE mark? If so, then I'm sure you realise there is no protection offered by the CE mark. That is purely a money making scheme in which the vast majority of cases offers no guarantee that any standards are complied with, nor that a product is safe.

Some have fuse and manual breaker switches (but probably not most of the cheapies).

And these protect from fire, how?

Are skateboards also banned? Looking at crime numbers people being king hit with fists is more likely than being donged with a skateboard or umbrella.

Why does this comment relate to fires aboard aircraft? Were the thugs riding skateboards and brandishing umbrellas also armed with blow torches? I must admit, in my limited (over 100 flights a year) experience, I've never yet come face to face with a skateboarding, umbrella toting thug with a blow torch sidearm. Which airline do you fly? I'll be sure to give them a wide berth.

So they are dangerous, even though not one has ever caught fire - sort of like iphones through the post, and all the gazillions of laptops taken aboard. - no evidence behind the assumption.

Now I'm the first to admit that I really despise the drivel that is professed to be news, but even a jaded newsreader like me struggles to deny the recent multiple reports (with video evidence) of these "hover" boards with wheels catching fire. Have you really missed the reports, or do you discredit them as phoney? On a similar note, I struggle to recall just one report of an iPhone or laptop catching fire.

I am pretty certain electric wheelchairs go into the hold. And probably have a bigger battery. I suppose, like guns, the gun people could allow 'safed' hoverboards aboard.

What type of battery does an electric wheelchair have? How many can you state categorically, have caught fire without fanfare?

Breaking down outrageous fears, a bigger battery is not needed. Bigger batteries are harder to flush down the toilet. Those scatter scanners should be able to tell the difference between wet acid cell and lithium.

OK, this is a bit out of left field.......are they flushing them down the toilet to put the fire out? Without the battery sized for the task, Russ might run out of puff before he's arrived! But you're right, how about you ask the manufacturers of these boards to put in a few triple A's.....that'll work! :rolleyes:

I suspect the real reason is some MIGHT be used to conceal something bad - but I do not know the x ray profile. But water is already identifiable = yet water is you know, dangerous too.

So the fact we can take up to 32kgs per checked bag doesn't deter you from this remark? I'm pretty sure I could fit more of "something bad" in my checked luggage than in a battery pack for a hover board.

More likely airports don't want kids doing wheelies or zooming at top speed to the gates, or seeing pax get off and hovering past the rip-off transport area, and catching public transport off the airport premises. I can imagine a drunk pax crashing into the duty free area. In fact business people zooming past the duty free shops not buying anything would be a financial danger. Airlines don't want lots of 6kg or more things sucking down fuel and increasing takeoff weight. Airports don't want tricky things to slow down security theatre- strollers are bad enough.

Does VA and QF own the duty free areas?


Charging a hoverboard - could lead to a fire, I agree many Chinese chargers are flat out unsafe - and that the ACCC and the state electrical regulations are a joke. Discharging should never cause a fire IF designed properly. Any same govt that wants to protect its trade balance SHOULD be doing a few exploratory tests and shaming the rubbish and teaching importers to lift their game.

We're not talking about charging (which is an issue for lithium), rather the uncontrolled discharge causing overtemperature and fire. The regulatory authorities struggle to keep up with dodgy imports at the best of times, how the hang can they monitor and test every appliance that hits our shore? They rely on independent testing to a recognised standard, however new trinkets like this don't have a specialised standard, forcing them back to AS 3820. It's not perfect, but better than none, but when did that ever absolve the manufacturer from their obligations to supply a safe product?

Bosche and AEG found bribery in the QC department where lesser quality insulation was used to shave cents.

So do Bosch and AEG make hover boards? Seems both companies referenced, found the issues and corrected the problems. Anyone who have dealt with China is fully aware that China can produce the highest quality equipment........and the poorest quality equipment, and they don't particular care which. It depends on the negotiation at the time........or more correctly, the amount of remittance per piece!
 
Just a reminder again that the aircraft regulations are not country based but rather they are set out in the ICAO Dangerous Good Regulations and the IATA Dangerous Goods Manual.
Individually no country has any major input into them.
 
This morning's ABC TV news carries a story of a sparking charging hoverboard that was unable to be extinguished by buckets of water and went on burning to cause a fire that destroyed the whole house in Strathmore, a suburb of Melbourne.
 
This morning's ABC TV news carries a story of a sparking charging hoverboard that was unable to be extinguished by buckets of water and went on burning to cause a fire that destroyed the whole house in Strathmore, a suburb of Melbourne.

No photo for facebook?

Very sad news for the family but thankfully no one was hurt... meanwhile Im guessing Rus' hoverboards haven't exploded yet so the airlines still suck in his book.
 
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I really see little difference between these and a skate board as far as broadly compartitive funtionality goes.

The issue is in the construction and power storage.

Once the latter is sorted there is no reason for them to be generally banned.

However I doubt they'll be permitted on RPT aircraft services for a long rime.
 
This morning's ABC TV news carries a story of a sparking charging hoverboard that was unable to be extinguished by buckets of water and went on burning to cause a fire that destroyed the whole house in Strathmore, a suburb of Melbourne.

Community service announcement - Water is not appropriate for trying to put out electrical fires.
 
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Televisions use to have a habit of blowing up, to the extent that my mother-in-law still unplugs hers (an LCD, mind you) when she's not watching it. If only they'd been subjected to the same knee jerk reactions back then!

Issues with cheap manufacturing and poor quality control do not mean the concept of the device itself is fundamentally flawed.
 
It's not only the Lithium Batteries which are the problem with these possible death traps but also the chargers are equally if not more dangerous. The falsification of labelling in relation to C-Tick and Australian Compliance for Battery Chargers is rampant in China.

Many of these non-compliant chargers are extremely vulnerable when loaded with 240V - maybe not so much with 110V in many parts of the world but 240V as we have in Australia is a different matter. Many of these cheap non-compliant chargers will ignite / combust way before the battery - no matter which it is there will be a never ending stream of these occurrences until their importation / sale ceases - policing is going to be very very difficult.
 
Still, if it was my house, I'd be putting a dry powder extinguisher on it.
That would be worse than using water as an extinguishing agent for battery fires. Other than Halons, which are no longer freely available to the public, water is the most effective extinguishing agent in this situation.
 
You wouldn't ride it outside?

Well yes, I would first try to get it outside. But that would be highly dependent on the situation. I can only assume that the people in the linked story didn't feel capable of moving the thing outside the house.

But then I've heard a story of people who pulled over on the side of the road in long grass to check horses in the float. Then noticed that the grass had caught on fire from the engine/exhaust heat. So decided to unload the horses to save them and watched the car burn. I'm not entirely sure why they didn't just drive the car away from the fire.
 
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