Heads up about program changes

[serfty]

Hi Medhead,

You are right, U is in the earn table in the terms and conditions you referenced above. But these terms and conditions are for the current earn rate. Booking class U is listed on the current airline earning table, as when booked as an ASA today via the call centre, it is eligible for the point earn.

The booking class U is not listed on the new earn rate table as it will no longer be a booking class eligible for points earn.
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Even if booked as part of an Any Seat award for bookings made from today until July 1st for travel after June 30th?

To clarify exactly, which of the following are true:

• If I booked an any seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on June 20th that travel would earn 1250 QFF points and 40 Status credits?
• If I booked an Any Seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on July 20th that travel would earn 0 QFF points and 0 Status credits?
• If I booked an Any Seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on July 20th that travel would earn at least 1400 QFF points and 40 Status credits?

Would booking today (March 28th) rather than on April 1st make any difference?

 

[JohnPhelan]

Assuming they care any iota.

What causes you to be so bitter ????

 

[bosox76]

From 1 July, X, Z, U and P fares will be available as Classic Award s only and therefore not be eligible to earn Status credits or points.

Frequent Flyer - Fairer Flying

I think it was in relation to bookings made now before June 30 for travel after July 1st not bookings made after July 1st. So do mASA bookings made now until June 30th earn points and SC for travel after July 1st?
Thanks Red Roo

If this has already been asked and answered, I apologise as I'm still working my way through the thread

 

[Flying mermaid]

As always, there are winners and losers. It seems that, this time, the winners are those travelling in F and J. Those on discount Y are the losers.

Well I hope you are right - I had a look at the tables last night and tried to work out how many status credits I would earn flying SYD-dxb-nbo in F in Aug/Sep - Qantas code share but mainly EK metal. spat the dummy as the tables were all too annoying and I couldn't work it out and haven't gone back to it. it looked to me as though I would get fewer sc but I could be wrong....

 

[leadman]

starts to make a mockery of the QF - OW alliance. stifling the CX or AY alternatives to Europe by cutting down the SC from the east coast! good work Qantas!!!! you have almost selected the routes you do not want us to travel on OW.... so do we all move to Perth?

 

[blackcat20]

From 1 July, X, Z, U and P fares will be available as Classic Award s only and therefore not be eligible to earn Status credits or points.

Frequent Flyer - Fairer Flying

Red Roo,

I'm sorry to be repetitive - but to confirm...

A "U" class ASA booked prior to 30 June (for travel after 1 July) WILL earn points and SC - BUT at the NEW earn rate.

A "U" class ASA booked TODAY - will earn at the old earn rate - regardless of date of travel.

Is that correct?

This is what I'm trying to work out; if I book a MASA next week for post July 1 travel, will it still earn (but at the new rate)?

 

[suparockin]

Watch the Spa be enhanced and reduced lol

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The email sent to frequent-flyer members informing them of the changes​

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/qantasenhancesspaexperience


Qantas in conjunction with spa partner Payot are delivering a 'simpler and fairer' enhanced spa experience at it's flagship First Sydney Lounge.

"The old spa treatments list was very long and complicated, we wanted to simplify the experience" said CEO Alan Joyce at the announcement today "We're listening and improving the experience by removing the treatments and keeping the receptionist who tells you that no appointments are available".

Such an announcement would have been unthinkable only a day ago but with such wide ranging changes to the program the much maligned Qantas frequent flyers reacted with quiet resignation, some even voicing their approval. "Hopefully this keeps all the riff-raff out of the First Lounge so us decent hardworking Union officials and pollies can get the spa treatment girls upstairs to the Chairmans Lounge to give rub and tugs."

Between the time of this article being uploaded to the server Qantas had amended it's policy 324 times, published fourteen individual spa treatment calculators and reference tables. Scientists were being taken off the Higgs Boson CERN project and reallocated to workout how to interpret these new rules.



LOL

 

[legroom]

Even if booked as part of an Any Seat award for bookings made from today until July 1st for travel after June 30th?

To clarify exactly, which of the following are true:

• If I booked an any seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on June 20th that travel would earn 1250 QFF points and 40 Status credits?
• If I booked an Any Seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on July 20th that travel would earn 0 QFF points and 0 Status credits?
• If I booked an Any Seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on July 20th that travel would earn at least 1400 QFF points and 40 Status credits?

Would booking today (March 28th) rather than on April 1st make any difference?

There has been many iterations of this Q - still unanswered by Red Roo.

So is the Q about the partner airline booking cut-off date ?

I suspect RR does not know, nor does his superiors as the rules are still being drafted by the interns at the moment.

A sad state of affairs for a public company which I love to support !

 

[Jean Prouvaire]

A sardonic, if not entirely unsympathetic (to Qantas), take on the issue in Crikey today:

If Australia’s frequent flyers thought like investors or financial analysts the news this week would be pretty good. Qantas is kicking them hard in sensitive places with changes to its program that makes being loyal look idiotic, but allows it to save money [...]

Thinking about what alliances, partnerships and loyalty programs mean from the perspective of someone trying to make money out of flying, or in the case of analysts, trying to make money out of selling shares, is probably a fairer but nevertheless painful way of adjusting to these disclosures than hurling angry tweets or insults at misunderstood managers. “Free” and “loyal” are words from the previous golden age of entitlement.

I'd point out that nothing was ever "free". The cost of any freebies was always included in the price somewhere else.

The new words are ‘data base marketing’ and ‘selling opportunity’. If we wanted to be perverse, Qantas might be criticised for holding on to what was the world’s best frequent flying program of all time for as long as it did. [...] Qantas to its credit has been a genuinely generous hold out so far as this is concerned [...]

Your loyal duty now is to be screwed, and fly Emirates if possible [...]

Spare a thought for Qantas management today. It is perforce rendering its main money earner, the frequent buyer flyer scheme so unattractive that it won’t be able to spin it off to separate shareholders for anything like the price it needs to get [...]

The Qantas program could still be the best in the world. But the best that was in ‘best’ is no longer as ‘best’ as it was, and the question in a market where even Qantas can make you a better offer for a fare than it can for the frustrations and costs of getting one of its ‘reward’ fares is ….Why bother?

 

[QF WP]

Well just caught up on my reading but I am still none the wiser

The one question I want answered is what point and SC earning will be for any xASA booked from tomorrow until July 1?

+1 drron, as I have some points to burn now, like today if my reading is correct and I have a limited time window

As an aside I really feel vindicated joining Aadvantage in 2002 and then having it my main program in 2006.

I feel good for having shown you the way

That has been changed -and in a BIG way. (Frequent Flyer - Program - Fairer Flying FAQs)

But whilst this clarifies those two positions, IT STILL DOESN'T answer drron's question above.

 

[smatho10]

Sorry if this been brought up already:

Jetstar starter plus books into Econ "B" - so does that mean you earn extra SC's than a red-deal from east coast to NZ and SE Asia? I'm seeing 25SC for east coast to NZ and 40SC for SIN...

 

[glennp]

Qantas is changing the way I earn when I fly. As soon as I burn my QFF points I will be earning with another carrier. Nice change Qanatas, thanks for rewarding me!

 

[Fantic125]

Apologies if similar has been posted but I haven't had the opportunity to read the previous posts yet.

Currently commuting weekly between ADL & SYD under the current system in -Y I could requalify WP in 40 weeks. That's achievable.

With the latest enhancement my weekly SC earn will reduce from 30 SC's a week to 20, which means from July onward it would take me 60 weeks to requalify for WP. Not achievable.

On VA I can qualify WP in 50 weeks and requalify in 40 weeks. This is achievable.

Hello VA!

 

[pearler47]

What is a MASA? Something any seat award???

 

[robd]

What is a MASA? Something any seat award???

Any Seat Award at Marginal (Classic) rate.

 

[Limewood]

What is a MASA? Something any seat award???

Qantas removed the much loved ASA's from the web site about 9 months ago since then have to search then call up, upset many QFF'ers.

Details here as to what they are etc..

 

[samh004]

Even if booked as part of an Any Seat award for bookings made from today until July 1st for travel after June 30th?

To clarify exactly, which of the following are true:

• If I booked an any seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on June 20th that travel would earn 1250 QFF points and 40 Status credits?
• If I booked an Any Seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on July 20th that travel would earn 0 QFF points and 0 Status credits?
• If I booked an Any Seat Award in U class from Melbourne to Sydney on April 1st for travel on July 20th that travel would earn at least 1400 QFF points and 40 Status credits?

Would booking today (March 28th) rather than on April 1st make any difference?

This is what I am chiefly concerned with. I would like to make a booking for later this year, and also another for next year (booked in June). Would either of these "new" bookings yield me SC/points or not? If the case is that I will not earn, I'll simply go classic, as I can get them for the same price and a cheaper dollar component, but if I will earn something I may as well do so for the extra dollar component.

I realise it's a complex question, but some clarification would be lovely.

And I'm not directing the question at you serfty, sorry, but you're highlighting a similar question to me very nicely

 

[Billmoore1]

What the hell are MASA's. Obviously I don't fly enough. Oops ...just found out. What is the big red kangaroo doing, trying to lose customers???

 

[van]

I travel OW international with domestic connections, always in business class. It appears to me that under the new system I gain FF points but lose status credits. This will mean that I might drop a status level even though my flight booking do not change. I travel OW as Qantas has restricted routes and schedules that I require. A read of the convoluted new tables indicates that business/first and discount economy are the big losers. Gaining extra FF points but losing status credits is not the way to retain loyalty. Redeeming FF points on ASA or Classic is getting harder as the number of available seats is reduced on already reduced routes. I envision the front end of the OW/Qantas aircraft becoming emptier. As this is the most profitable end I feel that Qantas management have shot themselves. I will use up all my Qantas points on Classic domestic seats and look for international travel on other alliances.

 

[Troppo]

I travel OW international with domestic connections, always in business class. It appears to me that under the new system I gain FF points but lose status credits. This will mean that I might drop a status level even though my flight booking do not change. I travel OW as Qantas has restricted routes and schedules that I require. A read of the convoluted new tables indicates that business/first and discount economy are the big losers. Gaining extra FF points but losing status credits is not the way to retain loyalty. Redeeming FF points on ASA or Classic is getting harder as the number of available seats is reduced on already reduced routes. I envision the front end of the OW/Qantas aircraft becoming emptier. As this is the most profitable end I feel that Qantas management have shot themselves. I will use up all my Qantas points on Classic domestic seats and look for international travel on other alliances.

You and me both...

If you are paying for J, then come over to Cathay....a MUCH better product for LESS.

Hello to the Cathay, Emirates and Virgin management who are undoubtedly reading this thread...and laughing, a LOT.