Heads up about program changes

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But QFF points never expire now

One issue on the profitability of QFF and its points balances has been omitted.

EDR has changed the environment on cancellation / usage of points. The infrequent flyer, with shopping at Woolworths for $31 every 17 months will ensure that his points from one trip every two years are never lost.

When will we see the change that Woolworths points no longer maintain account activity?

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Fred
 
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For those of us that have never used the system to gain cheaper SC`s to gain or retain platinum I agree this new enhanced program is fairer. I for one will benefit from the new system, by just doing what I have been doing the last few years.

It's fairer for those who are too lazy or disinterested to take advantage of these offerings.

mASA's also encouraged people to part with their points instead of hoarding them, thereby reducing QFF liabilities.

Why would I burn points if I wasn't going to gain some benefit from them?

Don't get me wrong Im not criticizing any one that has used the system before, Qantas had offered the product so why shouldn't people take advantage of it. However now its fairer for people who spend more on QF flights, someone like me for instance. Calling people lazy or disinterested in not taking advantage of it sounds like sour grapes on your part.
 
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I'm not pleased with changes directed at other OW airlines - Before changes I had booked J fares on QR from Aus to Europe expecting proper paid QF level status credits.

Now they (Status Credits) have been reduced to very small amounts - quite ridiculous really given the distance flown and (paid) cabin.


Is this definite? Shouldn't tickets issued pre-"simplification" follow the old earning tables,as per FAQ below?

Q: What if I've already booked?
A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking. The applicable Qantas Points will be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer Account approximately four weeks after the dates of the flight(s) taken
 
I find this table on FT quite helpful.

It shows the reduction in benefits flying J / F with QF as far as SCs are concerned.

Only one zone (3501 - 3600 miles) receives an increase.

Who keeps saying that the pointy end will benefit ?

BTW, I cannot vouch for its accuracy as I have not double checked.


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Well, for a start, it's missing at least one column - "Flexible Business", where the SCs are increased. It's also missing any reference to FF points.

For my flying pattern over the past 12 months, SCs are exactly the same, but points are increased.
 
Don't get me wrong Im not criticizing any one that has used the system before, Qantas had offered the product so why shouldn't people take advantage of it. However now its fairer for people who spend more on QF flights. Calling people lazy or disinterested in not taking advantage of it sounds like sour grapes on your part.

No sour grapes this end. I've been planning on J'ing my way to SG since before I found out about mASA's.

They were bonus SC's to help provide for lean times. It'll just prompt those who are interested to learn newer better ways of earning SC's at the best $$.
 
We were nearly right.Great Circle Mapper has the BKK-KUL distance at 754 miles.MH(who we are flying) has it at 759 miles but QF has it at 748-really feel doubly ripped off by QF.
As at 23 February 2014 Qantas has KUL-BKK at 749 miles. That is from my activity statement.
 
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mASAs are responsible for more *unprofitable* passenger miles flown.
That's clearly untrue in instances where a passenger chose to fly with Qantas and/or at a higher cost than they would otherwise have, unless the MASA was priced below the incremental cost of providing the service, which I don't believe to be the case.

A more nuanced question is whether or not people who would have paid Qantas's premium prices anyway took advantage of mASAs, thereby depriving Qantas of revenues that they would ordinarily have gained? (That doesn't make MASAs "unprofitable" by the way, just less profitable.)

I don't have a strong or informed view on that. However ideally Qantas's marketing strategies should be sophisticated enough to segment and target their customers finely enough to create incentives that allow them to have their cake and eat it. To create products that maximise profit from one segment that don't erode profits in another. That's fairly elementary segmentation strategy in principle (though, granted, not always easy to implement in practice). So a transport company might offer discounts to seniors, because those seniors would ordinarily never have used that company's service. But they have to show their seniors card to prevent richer, non-seniors from taking advantage of the discounted prices. Or they only make those prices available outside of peak hours.

In this case this might involve creating MASAs that are appealing to customers who would ordinarily not fly Qantas and certainly not fly Qantas on a non-discounted ticket, but are unappealing to those who would. For instance, flexibility is valued by business travelers but is less important to price-sensitive travelers. Yet MASAs - while not necessarily changeable - were fully refundable. I think that might well have been counter-productive because it made MASAs more suitable for business use.

But by cutting MASAs (and other initiatives such as double SC offers) out altogether, it deprives Qantas of at least some revenue and some profit. Whether - on balance, aggregated over all segments of their customers, examining both the short and long term view - it adds or subtracts to their bottom line, has yet to be determined.
 
I find this table on FT quite helpful.

It shows the reduction in benefits flying J / F with QF as far as SCs are concerned.

Only one zone (3501 - 3600 miles) receives an increase.

Who keeps saying that the pointy end will benefit ?

BTW, I cannot vouch for its accuracy as I have not double checked.


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Perhaps I am misinterpreting - but did this FT table not refer to Partner earning, rather than QF flights?
 
I jumped ship a couple of years ago to AA, must have seen the writing on the wall before others.
 
Ticket numbers have issued today so that doesn't apply to us.

Is this definite? Shouldn't tickets issued pre-"simplification" follow the old earning tables,as per FAQ below?

Q: What if I've already booked?
A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking. The applicable Qantas Points will be credited to your Qantas Frequent Flyer Account approximately four weeks after the dates of the flight(s) taken
 
... I think serfty posted earlier he booked AKL-LAX via MEL in business for 168,000 QFF points and at the same time earned 52,000 QFF points in the process. Considering a Classic award should be ~192,000 QFF points the few $ extra outlaid does not make up for it. ...
You missed the point - these are not Status run. It was simply using the market conditions to save.

No differnt to nesting ex SIN fres to OZ to save some $100's each time.

Did you miss the but where a paid standard business return fare ex AKL to LAX is $6K less than from SYD?
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If you now still want status on QF/VA then you are going to have to pay for it.
Those with status have already paid for it in one way or another. Some may need to pay more, some may need to pay less.
 
Far be it for me to cry about the mASA's disappearing (exactly 90 of my 3100 Status Credits earned in the last 16 months have come from Any Seat Awards); but I don't see the need to begrudge those that did get their status via the Marginal Any Seat Awards (or those that earned Double Status Credits on those marginal awards!).

It was a product offered by Qantas, in all its (perhaps questionable?) wisdom. The punters used it best to their advantage. Same with the TT price beat F Lounge runs. If the customer is able to stitch together a set of product offerings by the Qantas Group to their advantage, why begrudge the customers?

I further don't get the derision towards those earning status "via short cuts". The person still had to earn 1400 Status Credits to earn the Platinum Status. What "short cuts" did they take other than intelligently using the available products to their best advantage?
Should I join people in their 'high-fiving' of how they have taken advantage of a flawed system?

Qantas made a serious mistake when they allowed SCs earning on Any Seat awards. They made an even bigger mistake when they handed out Double SCs offers to people that included Any Seat awards. And it is not just SCs earning. It is also the earning of QFF points that offsets the cost.

Now surely I am allowed to have an opinion on something and post that opinion as easily as people were bragging and gloating about their Any Seat award achievements? I stayed away from the Any Seat awards threads so people could have their fun and watched with interest how they reacted when it was mentioned last year that Any Seat awards would no longer be available online and their existence was under review.

Well that time has come. I think it is a great decision and well overdue. Time to find other ways to take advantage in earning status with the available products.
 
Yes, my understanding is it's OW flights.

Yes, I think so, too - but it was presented here earlier as being the QF earning rate, I believe.

In fact the "pointy end" SC earning has increased for long haul, at least.
I can't pretend to have spent time checking all the variations but, as one example, MEL-LHR goes from 360 to 420, on my calculations.
 
You were still going to go MEL-HBA via CBR and SYD?

If you now still want status on QF/VA then you are going to have to pay for it.

I go lots of places for varying amounts of time. It's not unusual for me to go interstate for lunch (or even just pancakes in the OOL QP :p). Might as well get some benefit from it, even if I do have to do it in a round-about way.

VA just gave me gold anyway, so it was actually harder to earn on QF (and I did earn it).
 
I think you'll find MEL-FRA on QR in paid J is less than it was for SCs.

Yes, I think so, too - but it was presented here earlier as being the QF earning rate, I believe.

In fact the "pointy end" SC earning has increased for long haul, at least.
I can't pretend to have spent time checking all the variations but, as one example, MEL-LHR goes from 360 to 420, on my calculations.
 
Yes, I think so, too - but it was presented here earlier as being the QF earning rate, I believe.

In fact the "pointy end" SC earning has increased for long haul, at least.
I can't pretend to have spent time checking all the variations but, as one example, MEL-LHR goes from 360 to 420, on my calculations.

Sorry

The SIMPLER tables, charts befuddled me :oops:
 
Remember not so long ago how Qantas said they were removing Anytime Access because of overcrowding in the lounges .... yet the next day offered Double Status Credits. Now they are saying MASAs are a cheap way to status...... oh puhhhhlease give me a break Qantas.
 
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