Has Qantas underestimated BKK as a destination.

[Happy Trails]

They also seem to be ignoring BKK as a point of origin - I've never seen any marketing by QF in Thailand.
And then there's the ongoing business with credit card verification.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Part of the problem that Qantas has is the cost of its cabin crew, a lot of flights can be profitable on Jetstar but not on Qantas international so unless there is enough passengers paying the J fare it is very hard for Qantas to make money with everyone wanting to pay sub $800.00 fares return to Asia.

QF don't have to sell sub $800 fares... the fact they do means they want to compete against asian based carriers.
I just paid a touch under $5K for a J ticket to BKK - for that I could fly any airline..... seriously if they can't make money out of that they shouldn't be in business!

 

[JohnK]

Forget the numbers argument, but isn't 9.5 hrs in economy too much no matter what the equipment is?

Yes it is quite a long flight in economy but tolerable on a 747 or A380, painful on an 777, A330, torture on a 767 and clear stupidity on anything smaller. It really does make a difference but we can agree to disagree until you are black and blue in the face.

I quite like the current airfares but firstly they do not suit and I earn more QFF points and SCs going to BKK via SIN and a 747. If that option disappears then I have to rethink the situation again....

 

[mannej]

Yes it is quite a long flight in economy but tolerable on a 747 or A380, painful on an 777, A330, torture on a 767 and clear stupidity on anything smaller. It really does make a difference but we can agree to disagree until you are black and blue in the face.

I quite like the current airfares but firstly they do not suit and I earn more QFF points and SCs going to BKK via SIN and a 747. If that option disappears then I have to rethink the situation again....

I still think the seating layout is better in a 330 then any of the other types you have mentioned.

The rest is all perception.

 

[JohnK]

I still think the seating layout is better in a 330 then any of the other types you have mentioned.

Row 23 bulkhead does not even begin to compare to row 40 bulkhead on 747 or row 50 bulkhead and 80AK on A380. Much more bulkheads available on bigger aircraft. As for other seats then the chance of serial recliners is way too high and clearly not worth the risk. Well not for me anyway.

The rest is all perception.

Perception is the only thing I have left and that decides where I spend my money. Much the same as spending 6+ hours on a VA 737 flying PER-HKT....

 

[Aussie_flyer]

yeah those 777s must be hell compared to 23yo 747s

 

[Paddy55]

Dropping 744s in favour of A330s is a stupid move IMHO. Stupid I say, Stupid!!

Starting to make the lack of 777s... embarrassing!

THen again I really feel the interest and initiative has diminished re QFi

 

[serfty]

yeah those 777s must be hell compared to 23yo 747s

Seriously?

IME, age of craft has very little to do with comfort - it's what's inside that counts for the experince.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Seriously?

IME, age of craft has very little to do with comfort - it's what's inside that counts for the experince.

a Thai economy 777 is far superior to a Qantas non-ER 747. seat pitch for a start, not to mention the entire inflight experience (2 hot meals on every flight!)

what i was getting it was JohnK's comment that a 777 is painful i comparison.

 

[drron]

I love flying in a 777..........in the F cabin.

 

[serfty]

...

what i was getting it was JohnK's comment that a 777 is painful i comparison.

A 777 can be painful with 10 across seats - or so I have been told (Managed to avoid that so far ...)

 

[mannej]

A 777 can be painful with 10 across seats - or so I have been told (Managed to avoid that so far ...)

I find 3-4-3 to be much more painful than 2-4-2, however several of the 777 operators do have 34 inches in economy.

All this talk of Bulkheads etc refer to such a minority of seats that it fails to take into account the experience the rest (majority) of the passengers experience.

I think a lot of the comments refer to perception rather than facts considering that the product is very very similar in terms of space. Or it may be the fact that there is not much choice out of PER, so we just put up with it!

 

[ozmille]

going from 2 daily 747's to a single 330 was an "interesting" one, which I never understood

 

[JohnK]

yeah those 777s must be hell compared to 23yo 747s

Do you really need to make it so plainly obvious you hate me on every thread I post? Please leave me alone unless you have something constructive to add.

I cannot stand 3-4-3 across on a 777. And my opinion is just as valuable as yours....

 

[AlanNG]

I was about to book a Qantas flight and got put off by the A330. The next day I changed my mind and it was full or the price went up, now I have to go on a cramp JQ flight.

 

[mannej]

Do you really need to make it so plainly obvious you hate me on every thread I post? Please leave me alone unless you have something constructive to add.

I cannot stand 3-4-3 across on a 777. And my opinion is just as valuable as yours....

Can we stop with this everyone against JohnK stuff again?

The age of a 747 is a reason as to why some people would choose not to fly a 747, just like others don't like to fly Airbuses or narrow bodied aircraft.

There are those who love flying Cathay out of Oz, yet I see nothing bigger than a 333 being utilised.

At the end of the day, isn't it all personal preference as to what aircraft you want to fly and why?

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Do you really need to make it so plainly obvious you hate me on every thread I post? Please leave me alone unless you have something constructive to add.

I cannot stand 3-4-3 across on a 777. And my opinion is just as valuable as yours....

I hate 10 abreast too. I refer to TG not EK.

if you don't want your opinion challenged don't post it

 

[oz_mark]

Noted quite a few extra flights to BKK recently, it does make you wonder if Qantas has underestimated the popularity of the place, it will be interesting post EK if any extra capacity is put on.

The challenge for Qantas is that there really isn't going to be any extra capacity available for it to do anything. If anything, it has a shrinking international fleet, so if trying to fly on QF metal, it is just going to get harder.

 

[markis10]

The challenge for Qantas is that there really isn't going to be any extra capacity available for it to do anything. If anything, it has a shrinking international fleet, so if trying to fly on QF metal, it is just going to get harder.

Thats somewhat of a nonsensical statement at present considering they have the capacity to run extra flights.

 

[extracta]

yeah those 777s must be hell compared to 23yo 747s

Some of the best Y seats I know are on 747's. And some of the worst are on 777s. This comment makes no sense.