Has Climate Change "reporting" reached "End Game'?

[get me outta here]

At last, a less bullying realistic article about the charities:

 

[Moody]

Parroting everything put in front of one , doesn’t make one a journalist.

OK - I'll try to explain what hysteria really looks like. I googled "SBS news hottest day ever" and could only find this :-

It's official: Tuesday was 'Australia's hottest day on record'

Preliminary results show Tuesday was Australia's hottest day on record.

www.sbs.com.au

and

Australia breaks hottest day record – just a day after the previous record

The average maximum temperature of 41.9C across the nation on Wednesday was one degree hotter than Tuesday's record.

www.sbs.com.au

I could not find any reference to the claim that they described it as the hottest day EVER. As we are technically in an Ice Age right now it seems unlikely that it has NEVER been warmer, but as that has been going for a couple of million years now it pre-dates human life.

But instead of expressing concern that we are breaking temperature records regularly these days, the deniers fixate on the term "EVER" and pretend like that is the issue. It is quite pathetic, isn't it?

 

[Moody]

I have not met one person who has denied that climate change exists. Ergo, I have not met any deniers.

Oh but you have, Pushka. They are some of your buddies on AFF, who have over the years said :-

• Global Warming is a myth - the world is actually cooling
• The polar ice-caps are not shrinking - they are getting bigger
• The pacific islands under threat of sea rises are rising themselves so nothing to see there
• Yada Yada

When one claim is shown to be a nonsense they just move on to another, or focus on the fringe elements and more alarming claims as if that somehow invalidates the whole debate.

For those who have considered other causes to climate change other than what Mother Nature provides, and which include the impacts of man, the current rush to do everything carbon related and not look to other causes as well is extremely frustrating and will not produce any result.

So humour me - what is the major cause of the current climate change if not primarily the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere?

And until I see extreme groups and even less extreme groups who actually modify their lifestyle according to their own principles - no mobile, no air conditioning, no flights, no computers, and so on, well, I don’t listen anymore to those who are just angry shouty people whatever their flavour.

Seriously, a climate change conference in Davos that required helicopters to bring people in?

Seriously - from the forum that promotes and gleefully reports on status runs.

I do modify my behaviour, but no one is saying we all have to live in a cave. It is incumbent on all of us to take a part in reducing the world's carbon footprint, whether you care to is your own choice.

 

[Deleted member]

OK - I'll try to explain what hysteria really looks like. I googled "SBS news hottest day ever" and could only find this :-

It's official: Tuesday was 'Australia's hottest day on record'

Preliminary results show Tuesday was Australia's hottest day on record.

www.sbs.com.au

and

Australia breaks hottest day record – just a day after the previous record

The average maximum temperature of 41.9C across the nation on Wednesday was one degree hotter than Tuesday's record.

www.sbs.com.au

I could not find any reference to the claim that they described it as the hottest day EVER. As we are technically in an Ice Age right now it seems unlikely that it has NEVER been warmer, but as that has been going for a couple of million years now it pre-dates human life.

But instead of expressing concern that we are breaking temperature records regularly these days, the deniers fixate on the term "EVER" and pretend like that is the issue. It is quite pathetic, isn't it?

yes it is.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh but you have, Pushka. They are some of your buddies on AFF, who have over the years said :-

• Global Warming is a myth - the world is actually cooling
• The polar ice-caps are not shrinking - they are getting bigger
• The pacific islands under threat of sea rises are rising themselves so nothing to see there
• Yada Yada

When one claim is shown to be a nonsense they just move on to another, or focus on the fringe elements and more alarming claims as if that somehow invalidates the whole debate.



So humour me - what is the major cause of the current climate change if not primarily the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere?




Seriously - from the forum that promotes and gleefully reports on status runs.

I do modify my behavior, but no one is saying we all have to live in a cave. It is incumbent on all of us to take a part in reducing the world's carbon footprint, whether you care to is your own choice.

Climate change Or Global warming? . the term Global warming has been changed to climate change because there is evidence that the planet warms and cools.
My brother lives in the pacific (Solomon Islands, he is in town for a cancer check up) we had a BBQ at my sisters place the other day and he was telling me about how everyone who doesn't live in the pacific says seal levels are rising. his personal experience is contrary to that. in his region (the Western Province) something like 6 new Islands have appeared (vs an atoll which isn't designated as a island unless it sustains vegetation / trees) complete with trees and the like over the last few years. the earthquake lifted some islands, and lowered others . the cherry picking of the (sea level) data in these places doesn't constitute "science". My brother hosts a Volcanologist at his isolated spot near Gizo who has been making regular visits for years as part of his research (ocean temperature is critical to his research) and has found that the so called increase in ocean temperatures is at best inaccurate, when he tries to contradict the climate warriors he is shouted down as a denier. the problem here isn't that climate change is or isn't happening, it is the mass hysteria around it.
I watched a very interesting interview with Dr Valentina Zharkova from Northumbria university, she makes some very interesting observations.

 

[Pushka]

Oh but you have, Pushka. They are some of your buddies on AFF, who have over the years said :-

• Global Warming is a myth - the world is actually cooling
• The polar ice-caps are not shrinking - they are getting bigger
• The pacific islands under threat of sea rises are rising themselves so nothing to see there
• Yada Yada

When one claim is shown to be a nonsense they just move on to another, or focus on the fringe elements and more alarming claims as if that somehow invalidates the whole debate.



So humour me - what is the major cause of the current climate change if not primarily the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere?




Seriously - from the forum that promotes and gleefully reports on status runs.

I do modify my behaviour, but no one is saying we all have to live in a cave. It is incumbent on all of us to take a part in reducing the world's carbon footprint, whether you care to is your own choice.

I have always said climate change.

As you rightly reported this Forum is about flying. And status runs. I have always maintained that climate change is a complex issue that will not be addressed by the complete focus by some on carbon. Hence I show no hypocrisy should I fly. Those however who blame carbon for everything climate change should not fly. That is hypocrisy.

Do you fly?

 

[Moody]

I have always said climate change.

As you rightly reported this Forum is about flying. And status runs. I have always maintained that climate change is a complex issue that will not be addressed by the complete focus by some on carbon. Hence I show no hypocrisy should I fly. Those however who blame carbon for everything climate change should not fly. That is hypocrisy.

Do you fly?

Yes I fly. Your point is ......????

Oh - I see. So because breathing turns oxygen into CO2 I also shouldn't breathe?

Simplistic arguments are always the most problematic, aren't they?

I ask AGAIN - if CO2 in the atmosphere isn't the most significant contributor to climate change, then please tell me what is.

 

[Pushka]

Yes I fly. Your point is ......????

Oh - I see. So because breathing turns oxygen into CO2 I also shouldn't breathe?

Simplistic arguments are always the most problematic, aren't they?

Yes. Which is why I’m not onboard with the simplistic carbon model and climate change.

We have to breathe. (Although I think many zealots would like to see the extermination of anything that breathes).

We choose to fly.

 

[Moody]

Yes. Which is why I’m not onboard with the simplistic carbon model and climate change.

But you are not willing to provide an alternative explanation - just your belief that something else is causing it?

 

[Pushka]

But you are not willing to provide an alternative explanation - just your belief that something else is causing it?

And you are not willing to stop flying even though in your mind you believe it is one of the major contributors to climate change.

 

[admin]

Further to my earlier post, I think it's time now to lock this thread before things get out of hand again. As I say Climate Science (and the reporting of it) is not our core business. It's a divisive topic which compromises the harmony of our community. I will also be deleting any newly created threads on this topic, without warning.