General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[mviy]

A senator is calling for the vaccine rollout to be paused. The chances of the clots being related to the vaccine are so remote that pausing the rollout doesn't make any sense.

 

[drron]

Well the Senator is from QLD.
But a scientific opinion.

While these responses have come from individual countries, the European Medicines Agency said last week there’s “no indication” recent reports of blood clots following vaccination were caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine. The drug maker itself said a review of 17 million people vaccinated in the United Kingdom and the European Union found no evidence of increased risk of blood clots.

Data suggest no increased risk of blood clots from the AstraZeneca vaccine. Australia shouldn’t pause its rollout

Data from clinical trials and the real world COVID vaccine rollout suggest blood clots occur no more frequently in vaccinated people than they do in the general population.

theconversation.com

 

[Pushka]

Well the Senator is from QLD.
But a scientific opinion.

While these responses have come from individual countries, the European Medicines Agency said last week there’s “no indication” recent reports of blood clots following vaccination were caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine. The drug maker itself said a review of 17 million people vaccinated in the United Kingdom and the European Union found no evidence of increased risk of blood clots.

Data suggest no increased risk of blood clots from the AstraZeneca vaccine. Australia shouldn’t pause its rollout

Data from clinical trials and the real world COVID vaccine rollout suggest blood clots occur no more frequently in vaccinated people than they do in the general population.

theconversation.com

Prof Collignon said on radio just now that incidence of clots in AZ recipients is less than expected in usual presentations to hospital. That suspending the roll out to current vulnerable people in EU will likely cause more deaths than blood clot issues.

 

[RooFlyer]

9 countries stop/pause Astra Zeneca over blood clotting concerns

None of which have related the blood clots to the actual vaccination! Like I said before, Europe is not the place to look for anything sensible to do with COVID-19

 

[Hillbilly64]

Just had a telehealth appointment with my GP for an unrelated matter and she raised the Covid jab as I am 1B - if my oncologist approves it I can have astrazenica next week.

Health Engine obviously only shows certain GPs as mine wasn't listed.

 

[Flying mermaid]

A senator is calling for the vaccine rollout to be paused. The chances of the clots being related to the vaccine are so remote that pausing the rollout doesn't make any sense.

He’s another one who has always been on my Wally list (it’s quite a long one), so he’s not one I would pay attention to

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None of which have related the blood clots to the actual vaccination! Like I said before, Europe is not the place to look for anything sensible to do with COVID-19

The latest conspiracy theory is that they are suspending so they have an excuse for why their vaccination effort is a bit of a shambles....

 

[RAM]

Great so now smh is the authority rather than Dr Brendan Murphy. That’s like believing Craig Kelly instead of the scientists....

Anyway Dr Ron is correct - the vaccines don’t just arrive in the country and get jabbed into arms. They have to go through a testing and quality assurance program before being distributed. The vaccination program has been escalating as more vaccine arrives.

True - there is a delay while a random sample from each shipment is tested.

The Pfizer batches arrived (respectively) well before the first vaccinations began as the dates listed (from Fed Govt media releases - so sorry Drron the dates I listed are correct perhaps the media article made a mistake?).

Numerous states went public decrying the lack of advance notice of when & how many doses they would receive. Result - the Fed Govt changes the 'information' available to the public from updated daily to updated weekly (with a delay). The Fed Govt also reduced what information it provides.

Despite being able to see what worked well and not so well overseas - our Australian bureaucrats appear not to have bothered to follow those lessons. After all who could have predicted that there'd not be enough low dose syringes?

Gladys B went public late last week questioning how the Fed Govt could possibly get enough vaccinated in NSW if they did not use the 99 hubs that NSW will create for the intial groups.

Meanwhile in the US, in July last year the 'Operation Warp Speed' task force began setting up contractual agreements for pharmac_ chains, who already deliver the annual flu injection, to inject the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines & ENSURE they had the required ultra-cold store facility to keep them in.

Today in Australia the Fed Govt has not even got the online booking system set-up for bookings due to start next Monday.

Seems that none of the lessons from running down the National Medical stockpile (to achieve the 2019/20 budget surplus) due to underspending by over $100m in July to december 2019 - have been learnt. Putting the community welfare 2nd to other concerns only leads to poor outcomes.

In this and other AFF threads there have been hundreds of posts questioning if advance planning, ordering & testing are/were being done. The hard data suggests the same incompetents are in charge.

Some have mentioned 'going slow in the rollout to avoid incidents like the over-dosing of the two nursing home residents'. Actaully that is a perfect example of where preparations should NOT have gone slow. Training, quality control (checking to see if training has been done & applicants have no history of clinical issues) and random auditing should have happened weeks if not months before the first vaccinations began.

Instead it was left to the last minute & outsourced to a private company who had no oversight program in existence. But then again neither did those bureaucrats responsible for this in the Federal Dept of Health.

Pretty much sums up this entire process - no accountability. Has anyone heard a public explanation as to why the Federal Stockpile was down to below 40% (for some items) of what it was supposed to be?

In other countries, including some in South America often derided for their Govts, Ministers & senior bureaucrats have resigned or been fired by their respective PMs.

 

[jakeseven7]

A senator is calling for the vaccine rollout to be paused. The chances of the clots being related to the vaccine are so remote that pausing the rollout doesn't make any sense.

Was worried for a brief second but then I saw what senator has called for that

Not exactly a highly credible source.

 

[RAM]

Sorry RAM just a couple of minor errors in your post.414000 doses of AZ arrived on March 10.149000 doses of Pfizer arrived on March 12.By the time it took to test the first batches those doses are not yet available to distribute.The AZ should get approval today and Pfizer in the next 2 days.

The article you refer to was written on Wednesday March 10th. It states the Pfizer doses arrived on Tuesday (the day before, March 9th). These were on the scheduled SIA special vaccine flight. I did not count them as available for use in the 'available' figure of 214,000.

That is all in the last article you posted as a link.So last weeks deliveries totaled 563000 doses. So as they brought the total up to 1.3 million there were at most 737000 doses available so it looks like the first 3 shipments of Pfizer and the first of AZ which totals 728000 doses was what was able to be used through the last week.

Again I used the figures from the Fed Govt site,

Now despite your vast knowledge of everything a vaccine program doesn't get into full swing immediately.The system needs testing as was amply demonstrated with the 4 dose mistake in QLD and the left in the fridge incident in an aged care home.These things have to be ironed out first.And by the way the distribution,preparation and giving of the doses is all dependent on individual humans.And we are all prone to mistakes.

Agree - everyone can make mistakes.

It is just unfortunate that the Federal Govt & its experts keep making ones that are predicted/wondered about months in advance by the mere mortals here on AFF.

Mind you the State Govts & their experts are only performing slightly better. After all the latest community transmission is from a casual security guard working at two different quarantine hotels on the weekends while working full time (in a private hospital?)in a non-security role Monday to Friday.

For some reason the location of his Monday to Friday full time role is being kept from the public. There was a throw-away line a couple of days back that it was 'low risk' yet a 45 minute train ride in a near empty train (against the end of day commuter flow) is deemed high risk? More 'Animal Farm' procedures on display.

Just how many times must the stable door be left open?

Meanwhile the 'platinum or diamond' standard NSW approach is to only test when someone turns up for a shift rather than daily.

For full time personnel that leaves only 2 days of potentially exposing the public yet for part time or casual it leaves (in this case) perhaps a 5 day exposure period. More if they only work occasionally. I recall that one or two other States have changed to daily testing whether or not they are working.

I thought that the highly paid 'experts' are supposed to be closing these gaps after the first 'breach' not the 17th.

 

[Pushka]

Was worried for a brief second but then I saw what senator has called for that

Not exactly a highly credible source.

And now Craig Kelly. Good. He’s an idiot.

 

[jakeseven7]

And now Craig Kelly. Good. He’s an idiot.

Frees up 2 vaccines for 2 more important people in Australia (literally anyone!)

 

[Flashback]

A month old, but good to see that trials are progressing for vaccinating children.

First children’s COVID-19 vaccine trial open

Oxford University extends COVID-19 vaccine study to children

www.nihr.ac.uk

 

[TheRealTMA]

And now Craig Kelly. Good. He’s an idiot.

There are many of them!

 

[drron]

The EU seems to be shooting itself in it's collective feet.The AZ vaccine has grown to 30% of the market in the last week before the pausing.


Especially as the case numbers in Europe are rising again.


But they have now authorised the J&J vaccine.

WHO lists COVID-19 vaccine Ad26.COV2.S for emergency use

The World Health Organization (WHO) has listed the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine Ad26.COV2.S, developed by Janssen, for emergency use in all countries and for COVAX roll-out. “The vaccine from Janssen is the first to be listed by WHO as a single dose regimen, which should...

dgalerts.docguide.com

 

[tgh]

However one spins it, this significant upturn has to be of concern.
The burgeoning breeding reservoir of variants on our doorstep is also concerning.
The possibility of a vaccine appointment in the next week or so does mollify the concerns on a personal level….

 

[Flying mermaid]

Aus is sending PPE to PNG plus 8,000 doses of vaccine, plus has requested AZ and the EU to release 1 million doses of our contracted supply (which they have been blocking), not for us but to give to Papua.

 

[NM]

Aus is sending PPE to PNG plus 8,000 doses of vaccine, plus has requested AZ and the EU to release 1 million doses of our contracted supply (which they have been blocking), not for us but to give to Papua.

Well, much of the EU does not want AZ right now, so they might as well release some supply for PNG where there appears to be both need and desire for the vaccine.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Well, much of the EU does not want AZ right now, so they might as well release some supply for PNG where there appears to be both need and desire for the vaccine.

That’s too logical for the EU I think

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Nineteen allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines have been reported across the country since the rollout began, but Australians are being reassured no evidence links the AstraZeneca vaccine to blood clots.

Health Minister Greg Hunt revealed 203,557 doses had been administered across Australia by Tuesday, including 44,000 residents across more than 500 aged care homes.

Four patients in Queensland reported suffering anaphylactic reactions after receiving the vaccine, but authorities are playing down the development

Revealed: 19 allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines

More than a dozen allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines have been reported across the country since the rollout began, but Australians are being reassured no evidence links the AstraZeneca vaccine to blood clots.

www.news.com.au

 

[mviy]

Four patients in Queensland reported suffering anaphylactic reactions after receiving the vaccine, but authorities are playing down the development

That's where there needs to be some sensible medical exemptions from vaccination requirements for travel. If people have severe allergies to things used in the vaccine and could get badly sick from vaccination then they should be given an exemption.

I have some allergies, but I doubt I'd have any related to the vaccine, so I'll be getting vaccinated when my turn comes.