First Trip Report : CX110 Sydney to Hong Kong

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Zippy7

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So I am booked in to fly business class on Cathay flight CX110, departing Sydney at 0835, to arrive in HK around 1450 local time.

Get to airport no probs, but upon checkin, I am asked a blunt "Window or Aisle" by a sour man. Our travel agent had already allocated me seat 23A (I was expecting this to be on the new 1-1-1 config A330 plane). But no, sour-man says its 2-2-2, so I ask for an Aisle seat (I think I was on a very old 2 class config A330).

There was a relatively small queue to get through immigration (though some clown has forgotten their carryon bag, and there is a small commotion until the flustered girl comes back to fetch it). I must investigate this APEC card (Thanks Simongr for mentioning it).

First stop is the refurbished Qantas Business Lounge - I really cannot tell that there had been X months work done - seems quite similar to before, except that there are these large white bars that have coffee machines on them.

Boarding was supposed to start at 0810, but is eventually delayed until around 0830 or so. When I get there, there seems to be many people, and I spy sour man again - who quickly asks some econ passsengers to move over to fill up the priority/bus-lane as he spots a bunch of us guys coming out of the lounge to make us wait. The plane is at the furthest gate, and strangely only had 1 airbridge attached. Even after the plane is filled, takeoff was not until well after 0900 (probably around 0920) as we sat around for quite some time on the tarmac. At one stage before they shut the door, a ground crew guy ran back and forth shouting "Where's my radio?" - I can only presume there was some tech problem that wasn't sufficient enough to ground the plane.

Anyway, so Business class is packed full. Not one spare seat at all. I don't know what is going on, as in my previous experience, Cathay flights aren't usually full in business. There was no personal greeting, and I found myself seated on a very tired old plane - it was worse than all of my previous Cathay flights inside Asia (I've travelled between HK and TK/Singapore). There was not all that much legroom - I could put my feet on the back of the seat in front, and when I was working on my laptop on the table, the guy in front reclined and the seat-back bumped the lid of my laptop. The seats were not all that comfortable and I couldn't really doze off. I think the Qantas seats are spread out more? I didn't really care so much about the personal greeting, but after taking into account everything else, it seemed to me that they treated me as if I was in economy. It was worse than Qantas staff tossing the toiletries bag at you. I think I was offered a drink before take-off, but it was take what was on the tray or else.

In flight... AVOD was *not* functional, and the coughpy looping programming was February's schedule, which had to be to reset at least once. I gave up trying to watch anything decent on that flight. At meal time, they ran out of something (iirc, the chinese noodles?), and really had the econ attitude - "beef or chicken" - seemed to me that this crew could have been just plain old grumpy?

When we finally got to HK, we were quite late - I'm guessing we were so packed full that we couldn't fly any faster with the fuel load?

Yes, I got there in the end. But my firm had paid a lot of money for this ticket and I didn't receive the level of service or features that was paid for and expected (in comparison to all other business class flights, this was the pits). A colleague of mine had flown up a couple of days earlier than I did, and he bought his wife a ticket in economy which was one fifth the price of my business class ticket.

Based on that flight alone, I'd never willingly book into Cathay again. I guess I need some help/suggestions on my impending :evil:letter to Cathay about my abnormal flight.

I'll write a separate report for the return leg soon (I just got home last night). That trip was much better:)

Cheers.
 
Sounds like you scored the regional 2-class config that they currently run to BNE.
 
My mother and her friend came out from the Uk a couple of weeks ago and got a similar old airbus in business class HKG-BNE on a CX ticket. Both seats didn't even recline properly - why sell a seat which is technically unserviceable???

On the upside the fare from the UK (2500 pounds return) was a fraction of the QF/BA cost and they knew before travel that CX run a coughpy aircraft to BNE and CNS.

I nearly routed them through SYD to get the good seats - now glad I didn't bother.

Clearly only worth going CX if you get a really good deal on the fare and prepared for cough cabin/seat etc, IMHO.

I should add the LHR-HKG leg and lounge were fine.
 
Platy said:
My mother and her friend came out from the Uk a couple of weeks ago and got a similar old airbus in business class HKG-BNE on a CX ticket. Both seats didn't even recline properly - why sell a seat which is technically unserviceable???
That is the re3gular aircraft for the CX HKG-BNE service. QF has just recently returned to use A330-300s on the BNE-HKG route, which is a significant upgrade from the 767-300s they have been using.
 
Nice and interesting trip report.

Sorry to hear that you did not have a good experience. I think for that type of money you would expect a better product and better service.

I have only flown short-haul CX business class a number of times now and I can safely say that the service is ordinary at best. I was on one of their 777s, I think the 300 series, HKG-BKK and during the meal service the person in front was fully reclined and his bald head was literally laying on my tray table. I mentioned this to the FA and they were not interested as apparently you are allowed to recline in business class even during meal service.

I am confused as to how CX gets recommended and rated so highly.
 
I also had a poor experience recently on CX flying FRA-HKG (although in Y).

This was on a 744 where half of the (looped) IFE movie / TV channels had no video, and the staff attitude was bordering on rude.

I ended up complaining to CX about some of the issues from this flight.

My shorthaul experiences on CX in Y have been more positive.

Given the poor points earning in discount Y (0.25), and lack of status bonus, I am not really in a hurry to fly CX again.
 
JohnK said:
I am confused as to how CX gets recommended and rated so highly.

I guess its because the other times they get it so right ! i have had some great flights on CX, in both whY and J.
The regional J is a bit sad, but no different that QF domestic J, its fine for a daytime flight. If i got that config and wanted to sleep and it was long haul i would be annoyed, really annoyed, especially since they see fit to charge 7 or 8 times as much for a regional J config sometimes than discount economy !

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JohnK said:
his bald head was literally laying on my tray table. I mentioned this to the FA and they were not interested as apparently you are allowed to recline in business class even during meal service.

I doubt very much that his head was actually on your tray table; regardless there is no rule that says that you have to not recline during meals and that applies on airliens such as Qantas too

Dave
 
Dave Noble said:
I doubt very much that his head was actually on your tray table;
It was very close. Those seats in business class on the 777 regional configuration do not have much leg room but have a wicked recline.

Dave Noble said:
regardless there is no rule that says that you have to not recline during meals and that applies on airliens such as Qantas too
Well if there isn't then they should have one. Anyway rule or no rule I find it rude that I have to eat my meal staring at someones head even with the lack of hair follicles.

You have to wonder at the mentality of the person who wants to recline during meal service especially in WHY where the tray table is behind the seat in front.
 
... You have to wonder at the mentality of the person who wants to recline during meal service especially in WHY where the tray table is behind the seat in front. ...
There are many Zaphod Beeblebrox's out there who really are the centre of their own universe. I don't try to understand, I just accept and the world becomes a better place with a few less conundrums.
 
serfty said:
I don't try to understand, I just accept and the world becomes a better place with a few less conundrums.
I agree but there are so many things you can just accept and there are enough people out there who are likely to test your patience at least once a day.

As for the world becoming a better place, that is debatable. I believe selfishness reigns supreme....
 
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Dave Noble said:
regardless there is no rule that says that you have to not recline during meals and that applies on airliens such as Qantas too

JohnK said:
Well if there isn't then they should have one. Anyway rule or no rule I find it rude that I have to eat my meal staring at someones head even with the lack of hair follicles.
We are well overdue for a discussion on reclining. :!: :lol:
 
JohnK said:
... You have to wonder at the mentality of the person who wants to recline during meal service especially in WHY where the tray table is behind the seat in front. ...
... I don't try to understand, I just accept and the world becomes a better place with a few less conundrums.
I agree but there are so many things you can just accept and there are enough people out there who are likely to test your patience at least once a day.

As for the world becoming a better place, that is debatable. I believe selfishness reigns supreme....
Actually, part of my acceptance is try try really hard to get that Exit/Bulkhead seat so recliners cease to become an issue. ;)
 
Just for the record, I have finally managed to write a letter expressing my disappointment on that flight, and faxed it through to Cathay Pacific. I'll have to wait and see what they have to say about it.
 
Many many moons ago, when the current long-haul CX J seat was the 'new' seat, I'd the misfortune of flying a 13-hour flight in the old (i.e., the version prior to the current one). From memory, the seat was similar to the current short-haul J...

Anyway, the seat I had was so old, I could feel the springs in the seat. It didn't help when I was seated next to the stinky toilets... It was probably the worst J I ever had...

I wrote a letter to CX expressing my disappointment, not specifically asking for compensation or anything, it's more venting. I kind of forgot about the letter... Then 3 months later, I got a letter from HK in response to my letter, plus a free 1-class upgrade to anything on the CX network...

Sweet!
 
Slightly OT, but I flew CX110 a couple late Feb08 and was in Y.

They had those new seats where there is the seat frame doesn't actually recline, but only the padding does or replicates a reclining seat......
 
Apparently I received a letter from CX acknowledging receipt of my correspondence, and that they would investigate and get back to me. I say "apparently" because my wife alleges that there was one (She informed me over the telephone) - Now that I am home, I can not see any evidence of this!! :D
 
Well - I finally got a response from CX.

A few rather lame apologies, but no action to remediate my disappointment. Thanks for nothing CX!

I guess I had little or no expectation - I will just avoid them if I have to take these longer legs. I would rather have gone the QF airbus config even though they aren't that comfy for me.
 
Well - I finally got a response from CX.

A few rather lame apologies, but no action to remediate my disappointment. Thanks for nothing CX!

I guess I had little or no expectation - I will just avoid them if I have to take these longer legs. I would rather have gone the QF airbus config even though they aren't that comfy for me.

My I enquire as to your OW status?
 
Well - I finally got a response from CX.

A few rather lame apologies, but no action to remediate my disappointment. Thanks for nothing CX!

I guess I had little or no expectation - I will just avoid them if I have to take these longer legs. I would rather have gone the QF airbus config even though they aren't that comfy for me.

What were you expecting for other than an apology for getting switched to an older aircraft which seems to be the only actual issue

You claim that the agent deliberately sent people down the business aerobridge because he saw you coming; what evidence is there that he was

The aerolane had an old business class which didn't have the features / space of the new ones and they apologised for it; the fares on most routes are not varied by what aircraft operates on a specific day

They did apologise for it but I wouldn't have expected them to start coughing up compensation

Dave
 
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