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Fare class for int'l flight? Economy or Discount Economy

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Golf888

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With this fare basis: YKEE1Y3 in an e-ticket, is that
discount economy or full economy?
How to determine that?

Thanks
 

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Y class. Full Economy.

The key is in the first letter of the booking code.
 

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The first letter is the fare booking class and that is Y in your case. The other part of the fare code is a specific code that references the fare conditions. The 1Y generally means the fare is valid for 1 year.

The second letter generally refers to the season for seasonal fares. L is low season, K is shoulder season, and H is high season.

An RT generally means Round Trip, and OW means One Way fare.

I believe QF use EE to mean it is an Excursion (must be paid a number of days before travel) fare.

That fare is considered full economy for both domestic and international flights. I assume this is an international fare basis as they tend to be the seasonal fares.
 

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Thanks a lot for the replies....

I called Qantas and they told me that the flight Syd-HK-Syd was in fact
Discount Economy and the fare basis in the E-ticket does not show it....
Qantas told me to contact travel agent....

As a test, i did try to do some booking on Q website for that routing
and even for fully flexible flight, the fare conditions indicate that for Status
Credits, it is Discount Economy....

Does that mean for international flights, it is always Discount Economy??
 

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For international flights (and QF domestic within NZ) needs to be fare basis "Y" to be considered full economy. All other economy fares are discount economy.

So there seems to be an inconsistency somewhere

1) fare basis isnt "Y" but instead something else
2) QF agent is mistaken re discounted
3) website isnt showing the same fare basis that you actually booked
4) the rules have changed
 

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There is an option 5

The fare basis may show on a ticket as Y and the fare basis might show as Yxxxxx, however there could be a tour code associated with the ticket which trumps all

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I thought tour and consolidator fares would not include full econ/biz/first. Is that not the case?

Similarly the various travel industry fares.
 

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I would call back and ask again. If the say its discount economy, ask them to tell you what the ticketed fare basis is. Keep asking until they tell you the full fare basis code. If they say YKEE1Y3, then ask why a fare basis starting with Y is not a Y class fare. Then please report back because my understanding is that a YKEE1Y3 fare would be booked in Y.

In fact, I just looked up this fare type using KVS, and the fare rules clearly state that the booking code is Y. Cost os quoted as A$1664 for SYD-SIN.
YKEE1Y3 Fare Rules said:
Fare details for YKEE1Y3

REGULAR EXCURSION SPECIAL FARE FARE

BK CODE

Y -

PENALTY

CHANGES CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. NOTE - LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE AUD 165.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND. WAIVED FOR UPGRADE TO HIGHER FARE/DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - PENALTY IS INCLUSIVE OF AUSTRALIAN GST. --- PENALTY APPLIES AFTER TICKET ISSUE. BEFORE TICKET ISSUE FULL REFUND. --- WAIVER ALSO APPLIES TO ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER AND INFANT PAYING 10 PERCENT OF ADULT FARE. --- CHILD PAYS FULL PENALTY. --- FULL REFUND IF PASSENGER/ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER IS PREVENTED FROM TRAVELLING DUE TO REFUSAL OF AN ENTRY PERMIT/VISA. OFFICIAL EVIDENCE MUST BE FORWARDED TO THE ISSUING CARRIER AT THE TIME OF REFUND APPLICATION. --- AT ANY TIME THE FARE MAY BE UPGRADED TO ANY HIGHER FARE PROVIDED THE CONDITIONS OF THAT FARE ARE MET IF THE NEW TICKET IS SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED THE ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL PREVAIL AND MUST BE APPLIED. AFTER DEPARTURE CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. NOTE - REFUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY COMPLETED. THE YHOX/ YKOX/YLOX FARE MAY BE USED IN THE REASSESSMENT PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS ARE MET. --- IN CASE OF CERTIFIED DEATH OF THE PASSENGER REFUND ANY UNUSED FLIGHT COUPONS

RES/TKTG

SGMTS USING THIS RULE MUST BE CONFIRMED.

MAX STAY

RETURN TRVL MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS. MEASURED FROM DPTR FROM ORIGIN TO DPTR FROM LAST STOPOVER POINT.

SEASONS

17NOV-7DEC05, 16-29JAN06, 6-23APR06, 15JUN-16JUL06, 14SEP-8OCT06, 16NOV-6DEC06, 16-28JAN07 OR 15-25FEB07. SEASON IS BASED ON DATE OF ORIGIN AND IS DETERMINED BY DATE OF DEPARTURE OF FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.

BLACKOUTS

NO BLACKOUT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

EFF/EXP

31MAR06 IS THE LAST DATE THAT TRAVEL MAY COMMENCE.

FLT APPL

APPLIES TO ANY QF/AO/CX FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND HONG KONG S A R OR APPLIES TO ANY QF/GA/MH/AO FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND INDONESIA OR APPLIES TO ANY PR/QF FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND PHILIPPINES OR APPLIES TO ANY QF/AO/BA/SQ/GF/EK/MS FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND SINGAPORE OR APPLIES TO ANY QF/BR/CI/AE/B7 FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND CHINESE TAIPEI OR APPLIES TO ANY QF/BA/TG FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND THAILAND OR APPLIES TO ANY QF/VN FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND VIETNAM OR APPLIES TO ANY MH/OS/VS/AO FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND MALAYSIA OR APPLIES TO ANY BI FLIGHT BETWEEN AUSTRALIA AND BRUNEI.

STOPOVERS

NO ENROUTE STOPOVERS ARE PERMITTED. A STOPOVER OCCURS WHEN THE PASSENGER DOES NOT DEPART AN INTERMEDIATE POINT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

TICKET RESTRICTIONS

NOTE: EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY NOT PERMITTED FOR MEDICAL REASONS. ----- TICKET ISSUE NOT PERMITTED FOR TRAVEL MORE THAN 12 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

DISCOUNTS

75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR A CNN PSGR 2 THRU 11 YRS OF AGE. CNN PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. - - - - 100 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR A UNN PSGR 2 THRU 11 YRS OF AGE. PSGR MAY BE UNACCOMPANIED. - - - - 75 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INS PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE. INS PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. - - - - 10 PCT OF THE ADT FARE IS CHARGED FOR AN INF PSGR UNDER 2 YRS OF AGE NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. INF PSGR MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SGMTS BY AN ADT PSGR TRAVELING IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT. *** TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY. SALES AGENT DISCOUNT APPLIES. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NOT APPLICABLE.

REROUTE

SEE PENALTY.

TRANSFERS

UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. NOTE: AS PER SPECIFIED ROUTE MAP.

COMBINATIONS

CARRIER / RULE / FARE CIRCLE OPEN ROUND BASIS TRIP JAW TRIP SAME / SAME / SAME N C C SAME / SAME / DIFF N C C SAME / DIFF / SAME N C C SAME / DIFF / DIFF N C C DIFF / SAME / SAME N C C DIFF / SAME / DIFF N C C DIFF / DIFF / SAME N C C DIFF / DIFF / DIFF N C C Y / PERMITTED N / NOT PERMITTED - / DOES NOT APPLY C / SEE TEXT FOR CONDITIONS CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO ROUND TRIP/SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAW - -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP FARE GOVERNED BY IPRPG RULE 5004 VIA AO. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP B-EE1Y TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF VIA CX. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP Y-EE1Y TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF VIA CI. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP Y-EE1Y TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF VIA YY. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP Y-EE1Y TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF VIA GA. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP Y-EE1Y TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF VIA PR. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP Y-EE1Y3 TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY IPRPG RULE 5664 VIA BA. -MAY BE COMBINED WITH ANY ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP -EE1Y2 TYPE/-EE1Y3 TYPE FARES GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN IPRPG VIA QF. -MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS APPLY ROUND TRIP - -PERMITTED. CIRCLE TRIP - -NOT PERMITTED. OPEN JAW - -SINGLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED AT EITHER ORIGIN OR DESTINATION. DOUBLE OPEN JAW PERMITTED. -NO MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. END-ON-END - -PERMITTED WITH ALL FARES, IF COMBINING WITH ONE WAY/ROUND TRIP YEXT- TYPE FARE GOVERNED BY ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF . -COMBINATIONS WITH THIS FARE MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. -PERMITTED WITH NORMAL FARES WITHIN AREA 3-ASIA AND SOUTHWEST PACIFIC. -COMBINATIONS WITH THIS FARE MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. -PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES. -COMBINATIONS WITH THIS FARE MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON THE TICKET. -CONDITIONS APPLY TO ALL FARE COMPONENTS OF THE JOURNEY. -TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE FARE COMBINATION POINT.

OPEN RTN

OPEN RETURN ALLOWED BUT CANNOT BE AUTO PRICED/TKTD.

REFUNDS

SEE PENALTY.

CO-TERMINALS

NOT APPLICABLE.

INTL CONST

MAY BE USED TO CONSTRUCT A THRU INTL FARE TO/FROM AU. THIS FARE MAY BE USED TO CONSTRUCT THRU INTL FARES BY COMBINING WITH SAME FARE CLASS.

ROUTINGS

EXCESS MILEAGE SURCHARGE MAY BE IGNORED UP TO 25M WHEN TRAVEL EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE

MISC

TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR STICKER THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS. NOTE - TICKET ISSUE NOT PERMITTED MORE THAN 12 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
 

Golf888

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Mystery solved i think....

Inquired with company travel agent and it was booked in B class
(special fares i am told). The fare basis in the e-ticket is only
for ticketing and tracking purposes....

Any have the Fare Rules for B class?
 

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Golf888 said:
Mystery solved i think....

Inquired with company travel agent and it was booked in B class
(special fares i am told). The fare basis in the e-ticket is only
for ticketing and tracking purposes....

Any have the Fare Rules for B class?
Depends on which B fare basis was purchased.
 

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Hmm, KVS is not showing any B fares SYD-HKG-SYD. Only Y, K, R, V, S and N.

By the way, YRT costs $5688 while YKEE1Y3 costs $2153.
 

Golf888

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Thanks NM. Not sure of the type of B fare.

I think must be some code for special fare for
the company i worked for.
 

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Golf888 said:
Thanks NM. Not sure of the type of B fare.

I think must be some code for special fare for
the company i worked for.
Having just discussed this with Dave Noble, it seems you may well have a Tour Code fare, which is a special fare (unpublished), and any Tour Code trumps the entry in the Fare Basis field of the ticket.
 

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As I was reading this thread, I was about to type exactly that, NM, until I read your last post.

Dave Noble informed me about that little trick with my M-i-L's ticket QF BNE/SIN/BNE. It was issued with a tour code that he explained the same way - it trumps that fare basis (as printed on the paper tickets before the baggage allowance).

Tricks and tips for young players :shock:
 
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