Entry to Australia on expired OZ passport?

[Pushka]

His profile suggests he's not a troll.

He's made over 1,000 more posts than you.

 

[cove]

Reggie is quite real and his problem has gone away because he is ok with his dates.
My short arms comment was a joke.

 

[Deleted member]

How do the UK view foreign ( australian) passports with less than 6 months to expiry ?

 

[Deleted member]

Not that it helps in this instance, but NZ now offer a system that adds the 6 months you lose if forced to change early to travel and have the necessary 6 months buffer, to your new passport.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Not that it helps in this instance, but NZ now offer a system that adds the 6 months you lose if forced to change early to travel and have the necessary 6 months buffer, to your new passport.

So do the UK.

 

[docjames]

I've gotta agree with most here. While possible, I would just get the new passport to avoid the hassle.

This is the answer.

Burn the $ on the extra time you "lose" and do t worry about it.

 

[Buzzard]

IMHO Australian Passports are inexpensive. Adult $244 for 10 years, child $122 for 5 years = $24.40 per year.

Without getting into arguments about the 6 month validity or another country has cheaper passports (in which case you should become a citizen of that country if you like their fees that much), what can you possibly get for international travel that costs $24.40 per year?

Travel insurance costs many times that and you may not even need it, not that I would travel without it. A passport you can not do without. Just pay the fee. If a passport is so expensive, stay at home.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

IMHO Australian Passports are inexpensive. Adult $244 for 10 years, child $122 for 5 years = $24.40 per year.

Without getting into arguments about the 6 month validity or another country has cheaper passports (in which case you should become a citizen of that country if you like their fees that much), what can you possibly get for international travel that costs $24.40 per year?

why not discuss the price of a passport in another country? UK only cost ~AUD155. Same document. Same security features. i don't see the justification in an extra $100... for what?

 

[opusman]

why not discuss the price of a passport in another country? UK only cost ~AUD155. Same document. Same security features. i don't see the justification in an extra $100... for what?

You're forgetting the Australia Tax. I paid $291 to renew my UK passport at Aussie Post last year.

 

[Buzzard]

why not discuss the price of a passport in another country? UK only cost ~AUD155. Same document. Same security features. i don't see the justification in an extra $100... for what?

Overall I think it somewhat silly to compare the cost of a similar item overseas.

I understand that human nature being what it is, we see something cheaper in another country and think we are getting ripped off. Maybe sometimes we are.

As an employer I could use the same argument and say I am being ripped off by my staff. I see what "it" costs overseas.
Why am I paying x dollars per hour not $8 or less, why am I giving 4 weeks annual leave and not 2 and also paying 17.5% leave loading, why 10 sick days per year? It is a similar argument.

We live in Australia, get paid Australian wages + conditions, we pay Australian prices. Thats the way it is.

I am not trying to sound holier than thou. I too have purchased things from overseas and saved some $$$, but as a general discussion.....

 

[Awesom Andy]

On a very similar topic, if I have a dual citizenship, and rather than moving back to Australia permanently, it's only for a short visit of a few days. Would I be able to use another country's passport, apply for ETA (passport is eligible), and use it to enter Australia? There's no condition saying that I cannot get an ETA, and I would also have a ticket for onward travel in the near future. Not that I'm planning to do so - my Aussie passport has another 8 years in it.

 

[russianrob]

[h=3]Dual citizenship[/h]If you have dual citizenship, you should still use your Australian passport when leaving and returning to Australia. The only exception is if you hold an Australian Declaratory visa (ADV).
[h=2]Australian Declaratory visa[/h]The Australian Declaratory visa is an administrative document that resembles a visa. In limited circumstances it can be issued to Australian citizens who hold a foreign passport, including if you are:

• under 18 and will be travelling with a non-citizen parent
• have an emergency or other compelling situation preventing travel on an Australian passport. You will need to provide supporting documentation.

There is a charge for processing Australian Declaratory visa applications and this charge is generally non-refundable.
The Australian Declaratory visa is valid for five years from the date of grant. If you cease to be an Australian citizen, the Australian Declaratory visa becomes invalid and you will need a visa to return to Australia. The Australian Declaratory visa can be evidenced in your passport.

 

[Awesom Andy]

The way I read it is that while they really want you to do it, it's not compulsory. Well, it's more of an academic discussion as I don't think anyone would be silly enough to try to test it out in person.

 

[flyingfan]

On a very similar topic, if I have a dual citizenship, and rather than moving back to Australia permanently, it's only for a short visit of a few days. Would I be able to use another country's passport, apply for ETA (passport is eligible), and use it to enter Australia? There's no condition saying that I cannot get an ETA, and I would also have a ticket for onward travel in the near future. Not that I'm planning to do so - my Aussie passport has another 8 years in it.

If you are an Australian citizen, you will not be eligible to receive a tourist visa via an ETA or otherwise. An ADV may be appropriate here.

 

[opusman]

Of course the question is, do they actually know that Pommy Awesom Andy is the same person as Aussie Awesom Andy?

 

[Awesom Andy]

Of course the question is, do they actually know that Pommy Awesom Andy is the same person as Aussie Awesom Andy?

Good question, actually. Apparently, my name is a commodity, and it's arranged slightly differently between the 2 passports... but let's not go there. Don't think it's something I'm keen to test out personally.

 

[OzEire]

On a very similar topic, if I have a dual citizenship, and rather than moving back to Australia permanently, it's only for a short visit of a few days. Would I be able to use another country's passport, apply for ETA (passport is eligible), and use it to enter Australia? There's no condition saying that I cannot get an ETA, and I would also have a ticket for onward travel in the near future. Not that I'm planning to do so - my Aussie passport has another 8 years in it.

Andy, there are two issues to consider. First one is that the airline must be satisfied that you will be able to enter your destination country (Australia) lawfully, that is, you have an Australian passport or valid visa - if you meet these basic criteria then the airline will allow you to board. If you don't meet those requirements they can, at their discretion, refuse to board you or enquirie with the destination country to check your eligibility (or in some cases, just ignore the requirements and board you). The consequences for the airline are that if you are refused entry by the destination country, they must bear the costs for your return trip.

The second issue is at the Australian border. You could present your foreign passport with the ETA and, most likely, you will be permitted entry on the conditions of the ETA. However, there is a chance that the Customs officer will have information available to them which shows you are in fact an Australian citizen - either through data smart matching (name, date and place of birth, etc) or because your foreign and Australian passports have been linked in the Customs/Immigration system. In this case the Customs officer will simply enquire about why you are not entering on your Australian passport (are you trying to avoid scrutiny for some nefarious reason?) and they may lecture you about the need to present an Australian passport when you have one, but ultimately you will be permitted entry because you are entitled as an Aussie.

But remember that you will have to line-up in the non-Aus/NZ citizen line, which will either be longer or shorter depending on which flights have just arrived around the same time as yours.

OzEire

 

[AustSerbKor]

The first time we returned to Australia the check-in agent noted that there was no visa (ETA) for my daughter's Korean Passport, we said no problem she's Aussie as well but they didn't just take my word for it we had to delve into our itinary and produce her Australian one. Another time we checked in at OOL using her Korean Passport but the check-in agent insisted on an Aussie passport, the baby being checked in next to us didn't fly as they had a Singaporean and Malaysian passport, but was also an Australian citizen and did not have an Aussie passport.

I resent the expense of the Aussie passport in relation to the service provided i.e. hours waiting to speak to the passport office, a refusal to provide renewal forms to people that aren't computer literate and 3 weeks to provide the passport are unacceptable for one of the world's most expensive passports. My daughter's Korean passport was provided in less than one week and cost less than AUD$45.

Unless the ACCC takes up the cause I'd recommend renewing the Aussie passport as the delays to re-enter Australia will be made as long and drawn out as possible but I'm pretty sure the airline will not allow your son to travel.

 

[JohnK]

I resent the expense of the Aussie passport in relation to the service provided i.e. hours waiting to speak to the passport office, a refusal to provide renewal forms to people that aren't computer literate and 3 weeks to provide the passport are unacceptable for one of the world's most expensive passports. My daughter's Korean passport was provided in less than one week and cost less than AUD$45.

My daughter's Thai passport cost ~AUD40. She's an Australian citizen by descent and she needs an Australian passport to leave/enter Australia. I got an express passport in Feb 2017 and from memory cost over AUD300.

They wouldn't have stopped us from leaving but she wouldn't be able to come back.