Emirates A388 at Sydney on Jan 6th 2012, runway incursion

[oz_mark]

Bit of a freaky incident reported at Sydney:

An Emirates Airlines Airbus A380-800, registration A6-EDN performing flight EK-412 from Sydney,NS (Australia) to Auckland (New Zealand), had been cleared to taxi for departure via taxiway G and A however missed the turn onto taxiway A and went past the hold short line of runway 16R at about 09:26L (22:26Z Jan 5th).

A JAL Japan Airlines Boeing 777-200, registration JA711J performing flight JL-772 from Sydney,NS (Australia) to Tokyo Narita (Japan), had been cleared for takeoff from runway 16R and was accelerating for takeoff, when the A380 went past the hold short line, and rejected takeoff at low speed coming to a stop before the intersection with taxiway G.

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 747-400, registration 9M-MPB performing flight MH-123 from Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) to Sydney,NS (Australia), was on final approach to Sydney's runway 16R and went around from low height due to the rejected takeoff and the Boeing 777 on the runway, repositioned for another approach and landed safely about 15 minutes later.

Incident: Emirates A388 at Sydney on Jan 6th 2012, runway incursion

 

[markis10]

Still don't understand how they can ignore the ground markings, good to see JAL was on the money with situational awareness!

 

[scaredeycat]

When Emirates had their notorious tail strike incident in Melbourne a few years ago I recall an official telling the press that they narrowly avoided what would have been Australia's worst ever aviation disaster. This could have been Australia's Tenerife. Can't imagine Emirates management would be very happy...

 

[Must...Fly!]

When Emirates had their notorious tail strike incident in Melbourne a few years ago I recall an official telling the press that they narrowly avoided what would have been Australia's worst ever aviation disaster. This could have been Australia's Tenerife. Can't imagine Emirates management would be very happy...

You'd think so, wouldn't you

But they'll probably just whip the flight crew something chronic, rather than look at themselves in the mirror

 

[samh004]

This is what should be on the news, not turbulence short of Singapore!


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[Flying Fox]

This is what should be on the news, not turbulence short of Singapore!

Different carriers = different press focus

 

[markis10]

I wonder how they missed the turn?

 

[samh004]

Different carriers = different press focus

Oh I know that, it just boggles the mind sometimes. Small drama as compared to catastrophe, yet hardly noticed.


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[oz_mark]

Oh I know that, it just boggles the mind sometimes. Small drama as compared to catastrophe, yet hardly noticed.

The Qantas turbulence event was reported around the world, and there were injuries. Not sure why it's not newsworthy.

 

[AaronBradford]

Just wondering ... with this type of incident does anyone know if is there any compensation for JAL and Malaysian? I would imagine the costs in extra fuel burned would be quite large, especially with the go-around. Or is it just a situation whereby the rule is 'cough happens'?

 

[NM]

I wonder how they missed the turn?View attachment 5328

So I assume they were supposed to take Alpha all the way to A1 and then turn right onto 16R for take-off. but instead the passed Alpha and cause the runway incursion on 16R at Golf.

So how does the ground traffic controller fix the problem (after the JAL rejects takeoff and stops on 16R before Golf)?

Does EK A380 continue over 16R on Golf and then take Bravo to enter 16R using B2 and JL 772 exit 16R to the right on Golf and then take Alpha back to A1 for a second go (ahead of EK hopefully)? Are Bravo and Charlie A380 capable (I assume they are)?

Or is EK sent back the gate for some "paperwork" before leaving Sydney?

 

[markis10]

Without an idea of the other ground traffic its a bit hard to comment but I would imagine for the A380 continue on G then take B for a B2 departure with some paperwork to be completed later, while JAL takes the first exit available and comes back for another go?

Edit - further reading suggest the A380 did a backtrack on 07 after proceeding down G. JAL waited on the runway until the A380 crossed then exited via G then back down A for take 2.

Live ATC archive here although approach was talking at the time the stop/go round was issued http://archive-server.liveatc.net/yssy/YSSY-Twr-Jan-05-2012-2200Z.mp3

 

[Mal]

Those Emirates pilots seem to be the cream of the crop.

 

[markis10]

It should be noted that the ground markings are a little different in Australia and Sydney does not have stop bars, this was a point of confusion that was noted in the conversation with the ill fated SQ6 accident where we do things a little differently at times!

 

[samh004]

The Qantas turbulence event was reported around the world, and there were injuries. Not sure why it's not newsworthy.

It is, but how Emirates keeps getting near-disasters swept under the rug is confusing?

 

[VHOEJ]

It is, but how Emirates keeps getting near-disasters swept under the rug is confusing?

Not confusing. Airline bashing in Oz is reserved for QF only - I am sure EK look after the news outlets nicely with freebies etc.

But yes, if QF were involved in this incident and the MEL incident, government inquiries would be called for against them.

 

[haydensydney]

Dumb question potentially but...

If the JAL 777 was too fast to stop whilst at the same time being too slow to rotate, could they as a last resort serve left or right over the grass / other taxiways (with the brakes applied to full tit)? Obviously the pilots would do anything they could in that situation, but I wasn't sure if there was some kind of defined procedures if god forbid they found themselves in such a situation.

 

[awilcockson]

If the JAL 777 was too fast to stop whilst at the same time being too slow to rotate, could they as a last resort serve left or right over the grass / other taxiways (with the brakes applied to full tit)?

Probably not a great idea.

Ground loop (aviation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Simo]

Sounds like the JAL pilot averted a tragic situation.

Possible they have saved app 800 lives.

If it was QF it would have been front page news.

EK would only generate a page 9 2 line story if that.

 

[N860CR]

The 777 held short while the 380 crossed, JAL then returned to its initial holding point and recommenced the takeoff roll and carried onto NRT. There was potential for this to be a big accident, however it was detected by the JAL crew and the ground controller so there were some safeguards in place to prevent a major accident. EK will blame the crew and the lack of ICAO compliant markers at YSSY. I'm sure there will be no mention of the ongoing crew fatigue problem within the airline.

It still amazes me that the public were left totally in the dark about the EK 340 accident at Melbourne. While the QF 330 incident was news worthy (as have been a number of incidents of late), a lot of the stuff that is published is certainly not and the fact that the mainstream media almost totally ignored this serious EK accident is absolutely ridiculous.