EK521 - B777 Crash landing in DXB

[suze2000]

I don't find the briefing riveting but always watch it.....seeing the number of folk who ignore or yabber - I've often wondered how any of us would go trying to repeat and demonstrate it ourselves!

An activity for the next AFF meetup perhaps?

 

[dajop]

I don't find the briefing riveting but always watch it.....seeing the number of folk who ignore or yabber - I've often wondered how any of us would go trying to repeat and demonstrate it ourselves!

I think most of it is easy to comprehend and regurgitate - seat belts, oxygen masks, floor lighting/path to nearest exit. The items that I think are most challenging are the items that involve skills - the brace position (which depends on where you are sitting) how to put on life jacket. These are the part i listen to more intently (as well as counting the number of rows to both exits). In any sort of training that's where practice comes in handy.

Having worked in safety area it's quite astonishing how easy it is for people to get things wrong. Like heading for the usual front office door instead of the nearest unimpeded exit. I suspect in the confined space of a plane that is less likely.

 

[moa999]

ATC radio comms with sketch diagram here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VPOXc2bEM

Everything normal for the last 45 secs coming in.
At about 45secs ATC suddenly gives advice to continue straight, climb to 4000ft, after presumably seeing a failed landing. Co-pilot responds, then nothing until the Fly Dubai "Did you see that" message, then the following aircraft EK565 is ordered to go around

 

[jb747]

There are a couple of frequencies being played, so they aren't necessarily talking over the important stuff. I'm always amazed at just how calm the UK controllers are.

Straight ahead to 4,000 is a change to the normal go around for that runway, so that's why ATC are saying it...otherwise we'd just fly what's on the chart.

 

[coriander]

On NZs domestic a320s the crew do a personal briefing for those in 1A-C as they can't see any of the dropdown screens. I amused the FA by miming the briefing in time to the audio of the video

In J on a QF A380 (SYD-DXB-LHR), the FAs tell you to put the screen down if you try to watch the safety video. They then stand there doing a mime to the audio track. I only saw the video on the A380 in F SYD-LAX (and thought it excellent).

 

[jb747]

The FR24 data for the approach is pretty scant, so it's not really possible to put together what happened from that. The 173 knot groundspeed down to 775' is fast. I'd expect the approach IAS to be about 145 knots, so that g/s would indicate a solid tailwind. The final g/s of 129 knots would suggest that the wind has swung onto the nose (as the weather report would indicate). A tailwind that becomes a headwind down low isn't at all uncommon at Dubai (and other places). It can serve to destabilise the approach, and potentially lead to a high sink rate, low power situation in close (i.e. nearing the threshold). A go around will climb straight back into the tail wind..which has it's own issues.

There are only a few data points, so it's tenuous at best....

 

[katiebell]

I wonder if it would be helpful for aircraft to have a recorded (multilingual) message telling pax to go straight to the nearest exit and leave all bags behind that is triggered when the slides are deployed. That would be heard throughout the aircraft and help focus stressed pax on the key task: getting out of the plane

 

[juddles]

I wonder if it would be helpful for aircraft to have a recorded (multilingual) message telling pax to go straight to the nearest exit and leave all bags behind that is triggered when the slides are deployed. That would be heard throughout the aircraft and help focus stressed pax on the key task: getting out of the plane

Being an Emirates flight, where over half the pax wont speak arabic, I don't think a loud recorded message in arabic will help the situation much. The crew have to handle it, and recorded messages going over them would just add to the chaos, IMHO.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I wonder if it would be helpful for aircraft to have a recorded (multilingual) message telling pax to go straight to the nearest exit and leave all bags behind that is triggered when the slides are deployed. That would be heard throughout the aircraft and help focus stressed pax on the key task: getting out of the plane

It might be - but there could be factors to consider such as not all exits being usable. you wouldn't want the recorded message to be louder than a crew member shouting 'come this way'. Passengers might also be confused trying to listen to the message rather than focus on leaving the aircraft.

Pre-recorded announcements are used in some circumstances, for example when oxygen masks drop. The recorded announcement is designed to be loud and heard over the sound of air escaping (or entering) the cabin.

 

[JessicaTam]

I usually put my phone in my pocket for landing, as that has everything on it I may need in the short term.

I reckon I would be very vocal if someone stopped to grab a bag in front of me.

I am very practiced at using my 'loud voice' at work when I need to. It is rather effective.

 

[katiebell]

It might be - but there could be factors to consider such as not all exits being usable. you wouldn't want the recorded message to be louder than a crew member shouting 'come this way'. Passengers might also be confused trying to listen to the message rather than focus on leaving the aircraft.

Pre-recorded announcements are used in some circumstances, for example when oxygen masks drop. The recorded announcement is designed to be loud and heard over the sound of air escaping (or entering) the cabin.

Isn't that why there are crew stationed at each exit: to ensure that pax use the right one?

From the recordings in the cabin it is not possible to hear the crew commands until the pax recording the scene was near the exit & crew members so something more effective in the middle of the cabin would probably be useful: as to languages: use the ones that are used for the safety briefing: these are usually English and the language of countries from which the flight departs and arrives (im my experience)

 

[katiebell]

In J on a QF A380 (SYD-DXB-LHR), the FAs tell you to put the screen down if you try to watch the safety video. They then stand there doing a mime to the audio track. I only saw the video on the A380 in F SYD-LAX (and thought it excellent).

In contrast in J on BA the cabin crew make sure the screen is deployed and visible before the safety briefing starts. They then stow them when checking seat belts, bags stowed and seat in correct position. This sends a signal that the safety briefing is important which, to me, reflects the safety culture at operation on that airline. Likewise, as mentioned in other threads, I have witnessed BA offloading a pax who would not obey crew orders to be quiet during the safety briefing. These are reasons I kept flying BA even when the crew were moatly grumpy (i.e. in the prolonged industrial action that created so many problems; fortunately there was a return to the very high service standards once it was over).

 

[Quickstatus]

In contrast in J on BA the cabin crew make sure the screen is deployed and visible before the safety briefing starts. They then stow them when checking seat belts, bags stowed and seat in correct position. This sends a signal that the safety briefing is important which, to me, reflects the safety culture at operation on that airline. Likewise, as mentioned in other threads, I have witnessed BA offloading a pax who would not obey crew orders to be quiet during the safety briefing. These are reasons I kept flying BA even when the crew were moatly grumpy (i.e. in the prolonged industrial action that created so many problems; fortunately there was a return to the very high service standards once it was over).

In QF J screens are stowed for take off and landing - not because there is less of a safety culture. In the other cabins the IFE screen will display the safety briefing.

If I need a screen to tell me "time for safety briefing - pay attention" then something wrong with me rather than the airline.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

In QF J screens are stowed for take off and landing - not because there is less of a safety culture. In the other cabins the IFE screen will display the safety briefing.

If I need a screen to tell me "time for safety briefing - pay attention" then something wrong with me rather than the airline.

But there might be visual clues on the video which can't be expressed by a manual demonstration. I'm not sure about QF's video, but some other airlines make the point of leaving baggage behind by, for example, a big red cross going through the baggage. This visual prompt might an effect during an emergency (at least for a few people). Another example is the floor lighting guiding to exits... the colours of the lights leading to, and at the exit, can't be shown by a manual demonstration. Some airlines have red lights at exits. This could be confusing if you expect green to be 'safe' and red usually meaning 'no exit'.

 

[serfty]

In QF J screens are stowed for take off and landing - not because there is less of a safety culture. In the other cabins the IFE screen will display the safety briefing.

If I need a screen to tell me "time for safety briefing - pay attention" then something wrong with me rather than the airline.

FWI, on AirNZ international flights, the fold out screens at bulkhead and exit seats are extended by the crew for the safety briefing. After the video finishes the crew then ensure these screens are stowed for takeoff.

 

[Quickstatus]

FWI, on AirNZ intenrational flights, the fold out screens at bulkhead and exit seats are extended by the crew for the safety briefing. After the video finishes the crew then ensure these screens are stowed for takeoff.

I suppose the QF J A380 B747 IFE is manual and there are too many > 60 screens to deploy, mime safety demo, and stow before takeoff. The QF F and BA J ones among others are on a divider wall and motorised.

As an aside the QF J pax are the only ones not able to watch planecam for that reason during takeoff and landing.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I suppose the QF J A380 B747 IFE is manual and there are too many > 60 screens to deploy, mime safety demo, and stow before takeoff. The QF F and BA J ones among others are on a divider wall and motorised.

One would assume most of the 60+ screens would be stowed by the passengers themselves. BA IFE screens are motorised?

 

[Quickstatus]

One would assume most of the 60+ screens would be stowed by the passengers themselves. BA IFE screens are motorised?

Thought they were?. If not thanks for correction!.

More photos of A6-EMW
seems like the fire was most intense over the wing area presumably this is due to the central fuel tank?.

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[Bundy Bear]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Laptops can be replaced - yes - but not my laptop, as they don't make them any more.

I refuse to use the cloud for anything - and have seen clouds delete or corrupt data too many times to be far from convinced they are safe today.

I have also had back up HDD fail, where as never on my laptop/PC.

In all sincerity I would be looking for another way to back up your data.

You are more likely to have bags stolen during your travels than be involved in an aircraft accident.

A good reminder for us all when we travel and what we should take with us.

Phone, wallet and passport for me.

It would be interesting to hear of the aftermath from the passengers perspective, what happens when your plane crashes and you lose your bags and possibility your ID, and other valuable things.

Would be handy for other airlines to know how you prepare for such a disaster.

Sad that a fire fighter died in the accident.

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Phone, wallet and passport for me.

If one of those was in the overhead bin. But in an outside zip compartment of your carry-on.

Would you go for it or leave it?