EK521 - B777 Crash landing in DXB

[Bundy Bear]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

If one of those was in the overhead bin. But in an outside zip compartment of your carry-on.

Would you go for it or leave it?

Before landing I would make sure the wallet is in my pocket,(usually back pocket) phone is in the side pocket and passport and other paperwork immigration type forms in the shirt pocket) on a flight more than an hour I usually have my wallet in the carrier on bag,

An accident just reinforces what you should do to stay organized.

To answer your question I think I would leave it, after having my Iphone die just over 5 years ago it was amazing the stuff that was on back up, I wrote 3 numbers to a piece a paper, before I went to apple care and had the phone replaced.

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

To answer your question I think I would leave it

I think so too. But until it actually happens it might be hard to know.

I haven't seen a (modern) shirt to buy that has a pocket in the last 25 years! (almost true actually)

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Thought they were?. If not thanks for correction!.

More photos of A6-EMW
seems like the fire was most intense over the wing area presumably this is due to the central fuel tank?.

Images Of The Emirates Plane That Burst Into Flames In Dubai, Photo Gallery

Guess it might be a lost hull then.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I have a small shoulder bag, just big enough for an ipad. I stow it in my wheelie cabin bag sometimes but keep it separate when negotiating customs and when I am onboard.
It has my phone, charger, wallets, passport, glasses, LAGS bag if necessary and a few other essential items.
I don't put that in the overhead locker, and wouldn't leave it behind, but I would never try to take the wheelie cabin bag in an emergency.

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I don't put that in the overhead locker, and wouldn't leave it behind, but I would never try to take the wheelie cabin bag in an emergency.

But if you were told to put it in the overhead locker - due to eg being seated in an exit row, would you then fetch it after an emergency?

I suppose is the order "leave your carry-on behind" also "don't access the overhead locker"? Because you might be blocking egress by doing so.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

It's small enough that cabin crew have always been happy for me to hold it.
But if they weren't, in your scenario, no, absolutely not.
I was thinking of international flights, when I carry a lot of stuff.
Realistically I would only be likely to be in an exit row without storage on a domestic flight, in which case I'd have less stuff, and most would be in my pockets.

 

[Quickstatus]

Guess it might be a lost hull then.

Somehow I don't think it will buff out..


I need pockets - all the shirts (CKlein) I have bought in the last year have been without pockets. I hate sitting with wallet and phone in trouser pocket. I have a iPhone 6plus which is a larger size as well.
So I make sure at when flying I wear an older shirt with pocket. Phone and wallet in front trouser pocket or in seat pocket in front. I don't really want a manbag...


Re firefighting in DXB...
With air temperature near 50C and temps on the blacktop higher and jet fuel driven aircraft fires , how do these firefighters cope with the intense heat with all the protective gear they are wearing?.

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

It's small enough that cabin crew have always been happy for me to hold it.

Some airlines won't allow anything no mater how small. I've had that debate dozens of time now.

Realistically I would only be likely to be in an exit row without storage on a domestic flight, in which case I'd have less stuff, and most would be in my pockets.

Glad that emergencies will only happen outside your "realistic" situations.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Some airlines won't allow anything no mater how small. I've had that debate dozens of time now.

I'm pretty good at holding things discreetly or even half sitting on them. As long as it's not too full it will fit into the pamphlet pouch on the seat in front of me or on the bulkhead if necessary.
I take the LARGS bag out after security and put it in my main cabin bag to make it smaller.

Glad that emergencies will only happen outside your "realistic" situations.

It could happen. I recently flew HKG<->PVG in Y because it was a work trip.
However now I know how long the routine delays are on those flights I doubt I will repeat that act of frugality.

 

[defurax]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I haven't seen a (modern) shirt to buy that has a pocket in the last 25 years! (almost true actually)

I was thinking the same thing, I used to put my passport in that pocket..but now I just put it in my carry on. Looks like Indian shirts still have pockets! Only 14 passengers lost their passport (Embassies helping Emirates crash-landing passengers who have lost vital travel documents | The National)

 

[Flying Fox]

Thought they were?. If not thanks for correction!.

More photos of A6-EMW
seems like the fire was most intense over the wing area presumably this is due to the central fuel tank?.

Images Of The Emirates Plane That Burst Into Flames In Dubai, Photo Gallery

Amazing photos.

The whole B777 looks like a giant toasted marshmallow.

Its truly amazing that everyone got out safely.

Very sad news about the firefighter who lost his life.

 

[katiebell]

I suppose the QF J A380 B747 IFE is manual and there are too many > 60 screens to deploy, mime safety demo, and stow before takeoff. The QF F and BA J ones among others are on a divider wall and motorised.

As an aside the QF J pax are the only ones not able to watch planecam for that reason during takeoff and landing.

The BA J the screens are deployed and stowed manually, one by one by the crew, and the crew manage it without a problem. Some of you may not need a screen to tell you to pay attention but, if you look around the cabin, most pax in J pay no attention at all to the briefing.

As I stated previously, none of us know how we will react in an emergency, even if we have managerd one well before.

What has been shown in scientific studies is that rehearsing what to do do increase the probability that one will do the right thing in an emergency. Listening to and watching the safety briefing nd then thinking through what to do will increase the chances of surviving an emergency. As we rely on others also getting out of the plane the more prompts that the safety briefing is important the better IMHO.

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I was thinking the same thing, I used to put my passport in that pocket..but now I just put it in my carry on. Looks like Indian shirts still have pockets! Only 14 passengers lost their passport (Embassies helping Emirates crash-landing passengers who have lost vital travel documents | The National)

It is interesting that of the 226 Indian nationals, all but 14 managed to escape carrying their passports. So I do wonder how many first went to their bags to get their passport?

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

It is interesting that of the 226 Indian nationals, all but 14 managed to escape carrying their passports. So I do wonder how many first went to their bags to get their passport?

I know on those flights no one but no one ever listens to the cabin crew.

 

[Quickstatus]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

It is interesting that of the 226 Indian nationals, all but 14 managed to escape carrying their passports. So I do wonder how many first went to their bags to get their passport?

Maybe they were prepared as suggested above. They were after all on final approach

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Maybe they were prepared as suggested above. They were after all on final approach

Final normal approach. There was no "emergency" at that stage. It is interesting if 94% of the above mentioned passengers escaped with their passports.

I wonder how many first accessed their locker stored carry-on luggage before exiting? I suspect many of them did. But I'm only guessing.

But 94%!

 

[katiebell]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Article on grabbing bags in emergencies

Why do people grab their bags after a plane crash? - BBC News

 

[Austman]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

I wonder how many first accessed their locker stored carry-on luggage before exiting?

Take a look at the video to see the answer! Locker bins open everywhere with many passengers still accessing them.

 

[VulpesVulpes]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Isn't the bags-in-overhead-lockers thing done to death? Are we flogging a dead horse at page 19 of this repetitive sub-topic flame war.

Any updates on new info about the incident?

 

[jb747]

Re: Emerites fire DXB and evacuation procedures

Any updates on new info about the incident?

No, and to be honest, I don't expect to hear anything. Assuming they follow the ICAO conventions, then an interim report in about a month, and then a real one in about a year. I don't know if they have to actually make it available to the public.

Apparently there were a couple of go arounds in the minutes preceding this aircraft's approach. The FR24 data implies a solid tailwind, becoming a headwind at lower levels. Pilots call this 'overshoot' shear, but that's a bit of a misnomer. The instantaneous effect of the wind switching from the tail to the nose is an increase in airspeed. If you do nothing, more lift, flattens the approach...overshoot. But, people (and especially autopilots) don't do nothing. The nose will be lowered to hang on to the glideslope, and the power reduced, possibly to idle. The effect of that is that the sink rate increases dramatically, and the engines are possibly in a zone which will take them a few seconds to accelerate out of. So, what starts out as an overshoot has a nasty habit of becoming either an actual undershoot, or a heavy landing. Very likely to also put the aircraft outside of the 'stable' parameters, which would call for a go around.

I don't think this explains its inability to climb away, but I suspect it might cover a number of the holes in our cheese.