Dress standard in Business

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm not the expert but isn't society a collection of people that ultimately decide what is and what isn't acceptable?

And does someone seriously believe a $400 pair of ripped/torn jeans is classy? Does the label determine class or the money paid? Neither!

As a society we ultimately decide what is acceptable through the laws our parliament makes. If ripped jeans aren’t illegal, then they aren’t considered unacceptable as a matter of principle.

There may be a subset of society that decides they want to set individual standards... a restaurant, night club, religious buildings, members’ clubs (etc). But if none of those things apply, the person who thinks there might be some imaginary standard needs to step back and have a think. Why don’t i like a pair of jeans with a hole in the shin?

‘Class’ is a different thing. The person with jeans down around their knees may be the person who stands up on the train for the elderly. They maybe the one doing the volunteer work. They may be the one offering their seat on a plane so a family can sit together.

The guy in the suit, tuned in to Fox news, with a ‘screw everyone’ attitude may dress well, but is not ‘classy’.

 

[tgh]

Spoken like a true social engineer mel_t….
The rule of the mob, no individual thoughts permitted (or we will adjust you.. ) , when will the workers uniforms be handed out …

At least the left cannot legislate our thoughts… yet

 

[JohnK]

There may be a subset of society that decides they want to set individual standards... a restaurant, night club, religious buildings, members’ clubs (etc). But if none of those things apply, the person who thinks there might be some imaginary standard needs to step back and have a think. Why don’t i like a pair of jeans with a hole in the shin?

Clothes with holes in them look awful. We used to either mend them or throw them out. Now they are acceptable. P.S. The jeans I was referring to didn't just have a hole. They had the whole thigh area and whole shin area missing. Awful.

I may be forced into tolerating the fashion but there is no way I will ever accept it. And just like people have been judging me for my size for most of my life I will judge people's choice in clothes without knowing the person.

P.P.S. I don't generally care what society feels is acceptable. I have my own thoughts and I decide what is acceptable or not for me not society.

 

[stm1sydney]

As a society we ultimately decide what is acceptable through the laws our parliament makes. If ripped jeans aren’t illegal, then they aren’t considered unacceptable as a matter of principle.

Once a society abdicates the setting of standards (eg of acceptable speech) to its government, you know you are well on the way to totalitarianism. And from thence to mass misery, poverty and death.

 

[justinbrett]

Clothes with holes in them look awful. We used to either mend them or throw them out. Now they are acceptable. P.S. The jeans I was referring to didn't just have a hole. They had the whole thigh area and whole shin area missing. Awful.

I may be forced into tolerating the fashion but there is no way I will ever accept it. And just like people have been judging me for my size for most of my life I will judge people's choice in clothes without knowing the person.

P.P.S. I don't generally care what society feels is acceptable. I have my own thoughts and I decide what is acceptable or not for me not society.

They sell jeans now pre-torn and pre-dirty.

I don't get it either, but apparently it's fashion.

 

[RichardMEL]

Half the time the "best dressed" or "better dressed" people in F/J are staff on Pass/NRSA travel since those perks usually come (or used to, anyway) with specific dress requirements. Many moons ago I traveled in the US on a small regional airline on a buddy pass and the page of requirements was pretty strict. The reality was more or less.. dress smart casual, don't mention you're on a pass or make any issues and more or less stay invisible. I had no issue. I know plenty who do fly staff travel and as far as I know it's still a requirement.. maybe not on all carriers.

As for hats on board etc.. See plenty of caps and stuff being worn inside. I don't care myself.. though I am old enough to have been brought up to take a hat or cap off when indoors as part of general manners.

To expect that everyone in society has either been exposed to this sort of thing or to comply is ridiculous though and would probably say more about the person expecting it then anyone else.

As I've written here before I really do not care. If Flying duck wants to wear clean leggings and a comfy tee.. good for her(I assume ) ... if someone else wants to wear shorts and sandals.. fine. I mean really what is it my business or care? I'll care if they're dirty or have gross behaviour or BO or something.. yeah... that's not cool - and isn't cabin dependent though obviously if you're shoved in Y that's even worse.

Like yesterday I was on a tram and this bloke in a suit gets on and sits next to me. No issue except that the bloke was clearly a chain smoker and he and his suit reeked of the ciggies and even after I got off the tram my clothes smelt too (that's how bad it was!)... see I could care less he was in a suit because he absolutely stank and it was really offputting. Obviously nothing I can do about it on a tram or plane, but I object to that sort of thing personally far more than to clean and neat clothes of any sort.

 

[juddles]

Yes, regarding the behaviour side, but no re dress - I do not judge on clothes - I certainly do not "consider poor fashion sense"

....I also note functional sexism of the almost universally accepted (by males) sign of "class" in the well groomed and presented female ; and yet many males seek to differentiate by presenting a lowest common acceptable presentation denominator as sign of ?? manliness ??
"Class" is the newest dirty word in the new age male perhaps...

Hahahahahahaha!!! Are you serious? Am I understanding you correctly?

You are twisting a thread about attire in J to a discussion (?) of sexism.

Yes, women dress up more than men. In general. But why do they do it? Because of other women. The average male has no clue as to what the latest fashion is. For every guy that "perves" at a female form as they pass by, there are 12 women who cast a much more thoroughly exploring and assessing eye of the same woman. IMHO all driven my "fashion", which itself is driven by companies that want to make women spend heaps on clothes and makeup and accessories.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

I'll say in advance I haven't read much of this thread so I may repeat above comments...

I'm sanguine about travellers in 'comfortable' attire in premium lounges and cabins. Want to wear thongs? Fine. Want/have to wear hi-viz? Fine. Behaviour and attitude are a million times more important than clothes you happen to be wearing for a few hours.

Myself? Smart pants and a short sleeve shirt even for an ADL-MEL but, hey, there are 700 million people in the world without access to clean drinking water so I try to live and let live. After a glass or two of LPGS I may admit to wearing red chinos whenever departing from the CCR at LHR because that's a particular bugbear on FT

 

[juddles]

.... Behaviour and attitude are a million times more important than clothes you happen to be wearing for a few hours.....

Exactly.

I am sure there are some people that in a rare premium cabin would like all others to "dress-up for the occassion", but to those I say: all the people who are not "dressed up" are probably people who do this stuff all the time (doesn't Bill Gates get around in a t-shirt?) so what you are seeing and experiencing is the real jet-set - enjoy!

 

[rikkitikkitavi]

So how many of the "Must wear suits brigade" refuse to wear the airline issued pjs once on board?

I only wear bespoke smoking jackets

 

[tgh]

Hahahahahahaha!!! Are you serious? Am I understanding you correctly?

Serious about a banal subect like this ? no

You are twisting a thread about attire in J to a discussion (?) of sexism.

Well I thought a bit of politics , social comment and sex might liven it up a bit, works for news.com…...

 

[Fynsie]

Not really, just don’t do this, row 1 on AA about a year ago. I retched on my peanuts.

 

[Terry Russell]

As a 70 year old Anglo male who can remember First Class on an Ansett Constellation, I long for the days of Fletcher Jones suits speckled with ash and claret. Women and the lower classes knew their place, which was at the back of economy with children. We never had to change our suits or watch our language. And if the knees or elbows were in danger of tearing they had patches put on them.

 

[bigjobs]

Not really, just don’t do this, row 1 on AA about a year ago. I retched on my peanuts.View attachment 131797

Where is Larry David when you need him most ...

 

[Lemon_Party]

So how many of the "Must wear suits brigade" refuse to wear the airline issued pjs once on board?

I’m in the must wear pajama suits brigade...

Behaviour far more important than dress for me, but I will say leggings aren’t pants and nobody wants to see feet, bums, midriff etc

 

[Grae flyer]

I’m more practical. Everywhere I fly I pack carry on bags only. To save weight and space I wear my heavy good going out clothes and shoes and jacket etc. Minimum of everything else goes in my bag.Give jacket and whatever you don’t want to continue to wear on the plane, to the attendant , accept free night wear and use or just keep to wear for the rest of your holiday. Simple.