Don't mess with this mother !!

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[h=1]Hope the size of this post doesn't upset anyone but it looked like you might need to be a subscriber to read the article I posted about above.....

Man booted off plane after kid kicks seat[/h]





A travel writer claims he was booted off a plane for asking a child to stop kicking him. Picture: Thinkstock



TRAVEL writer deemed a "risk to the flight". What did he do? He asked a mum to swap seats so her four-year-old would stop kicking him.

Writing in the Huffington Post, Kevin Richberg says he was on board a JetBlue flight from New York to Bogota, Colombia. Seated next to him was "a fidgety four year old, kicking and punching, jumping and swaying".
The child's mother had been placed several rows ahead of her son. Flight attendants then asked a woman in Mr Richberg's row to swap seats so the mother could sit next to her son.
"After she sat, and before she could orient herself, her seat belt, and her belongings, I asked her if she wouldn't mind switching places with her son, since it would help me sleep undisturbed by the four-year-old's movements during the eight hour flight," Mr Richberg writes. "She immediately and bluntly refused!"
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"I attempted to ask her a second time, trying to explain the logic of my request and the nature of the child's fidgety kicks."
"‘He's autistic!' she replied, and again refused to switch places with him this time with the excuse. "I gave him a pill, he'll be OK."
But it wasn't OK.
According to Mr Richberg a Jet Blue flight attendant then came to ask if there was a problem. He explained that he would like the mother and son to trade places so he would not be kicked during the whole flight.
"The next thing I knew I was being ushered off the flight with my hand luggage in tow to the words 'risk to the flight' being repeated to me as the answer to every question I attempted to pose."
Mr Richberg complained to JetBlue. This is the answer he received:
Kevin, although we understand your frustration, please know that seat selections are offered as a courtesy to our customers. However, as stated in our Contract of Carriage, they are not guaranteed. Occasionally we need to move individuals as a courtesy to other customers...
The Inflight Crew of any airline has the authority to remove anyone they deem a risk to the flight or who does not follow instructions of the Crew. It is a federal offence to interfere with the operation of a commercial flight.
So he wrote to them again asking why he was a flight risk for asking a mother to swap seats with her kicking child.
A month later JetBlue replied.
Out of respect for the privacy of our customers, we don't comment publicly on the details of a specific customer matter. We stand behind our crewmembers' decisions to put the safety of all of our customers on board as their number one priority.
 
I don't quite see how this is "don't mess with this mother"

The way I read this is that the man made a perfectly reasonable request, and the crew overreacted under the "everyone is a potential terrorist" act / "every man is a potential pedophile" act and had the man removed.
 
I don't quite see how this is "don't mess with this mother"

Well she was asked about swapping seats first and flat out denied it, so in a way, if she acts the same on every flight, you'd be really unlucky to be anywhere near her ;)
 
I don't quite see how this is "don't mess with this mother"

The way I read this is that the man made a perfectly reasonable request, and the crew overreacted under the "everyone is a potential terrorist" act / "every man is a potential pedophile" act and had the man removed.

I took the view that if the mother had agreed to the (reasonable) request to swap seats the cabin crew would never have become involved. Just like the fact that the mother of an ugly kid seems to think they are supermodel material because it is THEIR kid, in my experience, mothers (and sometimes fathers) of kids with disabilities or intellectual problems often (not always) OVER-react to anything or anyone who says or does ANYTHING that relates to the said disabled/intellectually challenged child - even if what was said or done was not in any way critical or offensive. It just seems that such mothers have become so conditioned to having to stick up for their kids that they often lose perspective as a result.........
 
Well she was asked about swapping seats first and flat out denied it, so in a way, if she acts the same on every flight, you'd be really unlucky to be anywhere near her ;)

The mother may have overreacted, but I know as a parent, sometimes I get shirty with people who are "offering me advice". It could have been how she was asked, or her child may have been giving her the ****s all day (speaking from experience when traveling with kids, they are not always at their best behaviour when traveling), and he was simply standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. What I then suspect happened was the FA decided to go on a power trip (something I've noticed is not unusual for those in the travel industry in the US) and of course FA's are never wrong, the law says so.
 
I don't quite see how this is "don't mess with this mother"

The way I read this is that the man made a perfectly reasonable request, and the crew overreacted under the "everyone is a potential terrorist" act / "every man is a potential pedophile" act and had the man removed.

Actually, the alleged potential pedo thing would mean he was not sat next to the child in the first place. As such we can safely say that had no bearing on the case.
 
Sounds like a whiny DYKWIA mother who can't be bothered controlling her misbehaving son supported by an incompetent JetBlue FA.
 
Something is not right here. What mother with a handicapped 4 year old would accept a seat anywhere but right next to the child. Surely no airline knowing the situation with said child would seperate the 2 of them ???
 
To reduce the possibility of us guys getting the pointy end of the stick i have no problem with us standing up for our rights from time to time and just not turning the other cheek until it just becomes the accepted norm that we are easy targets for any cough...

This story just needs to be given as much air time and pushed by this guy to cause the airline as much embarrassment as possible, that is the only real threat these companies understand and respond to and may make them think twice in the future...
 
To reduce the possibility of us guys getting the pointy end of the stick i have no problem with us standing up for our rights from time to time and just not turning the other cheek until it just becomes the accepted norm that we are easy targets for any cough...

This story just needs to be given as much air time and pushed by this guy to cause the airline as much embarrassment as possible, that is the only real threat these companies understand and respond to and may make them think twice in the future...

Seeing he is a travel writer I think it very likely this story will be pushed.Guess sometimes you just pick the wrong guy to beat up on.
 
The ejection of the passenger in the circumstances sounds downright loopy! But I must say I would not be keen to swap an aisle seat for a middle on an 8 hour flight, even with my own son. I would have been inclined to do what the mother did (in a polite way though) and decline the swap and give the kid a pill or whatever she said she had done, assuming I believed the pill would have the desired calming effect. And for all we know the kid may have calmed down and not been restless for the next eight hours - the reporter was not there to witness it.

But (with the usual proviso that the reporting is accurate) then the FA did not need to involve the captain. And the captain did not need to eject the passenger. We don't know what words were exchanged between the FA and the captain (FA could have spun any yarn they wanted to the captain), and I don't think Jetblue is going to enlighten us any time soon (unless there is sustained media pressure on them). So I think the stupidity is down to the FA and/or the captain. The woman's attitude was ordinary too (I mean the rudeness, not the declining of a seat swap), and while that is what may have got the FA's attention, that is where it should have stopped.
 
Sounds like a very poor way of handling the situation.

Wouldn't it have been much simpler to swap the seat of the person making the complaint with someone in another row?
 
Is it bad that the first thing I thought when reading this is "just another reason to fly in J"? Oh AFF, what have you done to me?!?
 
I wonder how it might have been handled here in oz? Throw in some variables like WP status for the travel writer etc. mind you I still think the " united breaks guitars" you tube video demonstrates how it's better to get even rather than get mad.
 
Is this a JetBlue thing? They seem to have more than their fair share of publicity about passengers being de-boarded for abstract reasons.
 
The ejection of the passenger in the circumstances sounds downright loopy! But I must say I would not be keen to swap an aisle seat for a middle on an 8 hour flight, even with my own son. I would have been inclined to do what the mother did (in a polite way though) and decline the swap and give the kid a pill or whatever she said she had done, assuming I believed the pill would have the desired calming effect. And for all we know the kid may have calmed down and not been restless for the next eight hours - the reporter was not there to witness it.
I hope that is sarcasm as all it seems to me is that the mother put her own selfish wants above the needs of her 4 year old son and the comfort of the passenger involved.

The fact the son needed a tablet is a good enough reason for her to stay with the some full stop.

All I can see is the mother needing a please explain, same with JetBlue here as it does not paint them in a positive light at all
 
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