Denied seat recline on long haul

[serfty]

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Not kidding. The screen can only be viewed properly at a certain angle. If seat is fully reclined the IFE (for me at least) is useless.
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Umm ... the screens actually pivot, see when the seat in front is reclined you can vary that angel.

 

[ozmille]

Umm ... the screens actually pivot, see when the seat in front is reclined you can vary that angel.

Not sure but JohnK are you talking about BA prem whY where the sceen is actually in the seat in front of you? If not than I am not sure what you are referring to either as I have done QF prem whY and as the screen comes out of your arm rest there is no link between a reclined seat in front of you and screen angle...

 

[serfty]

Not sure but JohnK are you talking about BA prem whY where the sceen is actually in the seat in front of you? If not than I am not sure what you are referring to either as I have done QF prem whY and as the screen comes out of your arm rest there is no link between a reclined seat in front of you and screen angle...

He referring to economy, more specifically on Qantas non bulhead/exit seats.

The screens are hinged horizontally at the top so they can pivot out from the bottom. They are in the back of the seat in front, so when the person in the seat in front reclines, you can rotate the screen laterally so it stays to the vertical.

 

[Daver6]

Sat in 7D today on a QF 737-800. Used the tray table and it was uncomfortable and pushing back against my belly. I am overweight. Looked over at 7C who was a trimmer man and tray table is resting against his belly. If the seat in front is reclined at any point in time then neither of use would be able use the tray table. The tray table is not for meal times only.

Why would the seat recline make any difference to the tray table being against your belly? The table doesn't move as the seat reclines.

 

[straitman]

Why would the seat recline make any difference to the tray table being against your belly? The table doesn't move as the seat reclines.

If it is attached to the seat back it sure does move :!:

 

[tuapekastar]

No there are many aisle seats. I did not think it was going to be that difficult in premium economy.


Who is young?

If the seat in front is fully reclined I cannot stand up to try and get out of the seat. I need to roll out of my seat and somehow try and crawl to get out without inconveniencing person in front. Or somehow I should try and turn around without touching seat back of seat in front and get out with my knees as support on the seats in my row. Why should I be that considerate? My flight is already partially ruined.

It is clear that the airline is to blame here and if the person in front reclines then I cannot fully use the features they have provided for my seat. I cannot recline. I cannot use the IFE properly. I cannot get out of my seat. I should not have to purchase a business class seat.

Wont necessarily help in a window seat (unless the aisle is occupied by someone you know), but egress from the aisle seat can be made so much easier by simply lifting the armrest. I don't know all the aircraft types this can be done on, but 737s and 767s I have flown on allow this (excepting J, and possibly bulkhead and exit rows). There is a little 'knob' (sometimes a little recessed in newer models) on the underside of the armrest and towards the back of it. You just need to press it and push up the armrest at the same time. This makes exiting into the aisle a simple 90 degree swing of the legs followed by standing up. No need to go anywhere near the seat in front.

 

[Daver6]

If it is attached to the seat back it sure does move :!:

Which Australian airliens/aircraft is that the case? In fact, in all my travels, I've never seen a tray table attached directly to the seat back. They always have had arms that are attached to the non-movable part of the seat in front. So the seat reclining makes no difference to the position of the tray table when opened.

 

[Moody]

Umm ... the screens actually pivot, see when the seat in front is reclined you can vary that angel.

I fimd the range of the pivot is limited, and if the person in front reclines I have no option but to do otherwise, and thus the domino effect starts. Long-haul post meal service on an overnight flight ... this is to be expected. Short-haul on day flights ... it is a little bit selfish unless the pax is trying for a power-nap.

I flew trans-Tasman last week in row 4 and both times the busness pax in row 3 reclined as soon as the seat belt sign went off and stayed that way until landing. Whilst this didn't have the same impact as it would for other economy rows, it was annoying to have the curtain pushed back over my legs and the pax in 4A could no longer slide past me so I had to leave my seat everytime they wanted to get in/out. The J pax wasn't sleeping - just throwing their seat around because they could.

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

If it is attached to the seat back it sure does move :!:

I agree..................

 

[BadgerBoi]

I fimd the range of the pivot is limited, and if the person in front reclines I have no option but to do otherwise, and thus the domino effect starts. Long-haul post meal service on an overnight flight ... this is to be expected. Short-haul on day flights ... it is a little bit selfish unless the pax is trying for a power-nap.

I flew trans-Tasman last week in row 4 and both times the busness pax in row 3 reclined as soon as the seat belt sign went off and stayed that way until landing. Whilst this didn't have the same impact as it would for other economy rows, it was annoying to have the curtain pushed back over my legs and the pax in 4A could no longer slide past me so I had to leave my seat everytime they wanted to get in/out. The J pax wasn't sleeping - just throwing their seat around because they could.

I'm off SYD to AYQ before too long, we've got 3A and 3C going and 3D and 3F returning. This is advance warning that I will be taking occasional advantage of the recline function outside of meal times, so anyone planning on sitting in row 4 on my flights may wish to make other arrangements

 

[ozmille]

He referring to economy, more specifically on Qantas non bulhead/exit seats.

The screens are hinged horizontally at the top so they can pivot out from the bottom. They are in the back of the seat in front, so when the person in the seat in front reclines, you can rotate the screen laterally so it stays to the vertical.

OK my bad, I was still going of the previous comments about Premium Economy

And you think that action is intentional to inflict pain on you?

How do you propose a 71 year old get out of a premium economy window seat with the seat in front fully reclined? Must make sure that everyone on the aircraft is inconvenienced so the recliner can have a comfortable flight exercising their right of a comfortable flight.

I keep saying it all about me, me, me, me and me again attitude. Keep convincing yourselves that you are right but you could not be further from reality.

And medhead please rejoin debate because these recliners do not make any sense....

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

That's alright Badgerboi I will just use the back of the seat to somersault out when I need to get up !!

Just kidding....I'll stick my knees on my long legs into the back of the seat

 

[BadgerBoi]

That's alright Badgerboi I will just use the back of the seat to somersault out when I need to get up !!

Just kidding....I'll stick my knees on my long legs into the back of the seat

Go for it, I'll be cushioned by the curtain that separates your Y cabin from my J cabin. You must have extraordinarily long legs.

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Actually I'll also be in J or maybe F and will come back to see how you are sleeping !

Anyone who follows this website seriously should be able to travel J on ASA's and not sit in Y behind a reclining J or otherwise.

 

[Rhiannon]

This recline issue certainly gets people going! Aiming for sainthood I try and be thoughtful when travelling, and consider the person behind me before reclining; I never recline short-haul, but usually do at least some of the way and some of the time on long-haul - partly for my own comfort and usually as part of the domino effect of the seat in front being reclined. I am far from petite, and have various mobility limitations which make it hard to get up even when the seat in front is not reclined. When I am stuck in Y long haul, I try for bulkheads but often lose out to bassinets (no longer a need for them myself ) and am not eligible for exit rows due to disability. I have a strong preference for an aisle seat, and am relieved when the armrest can be raised up to allow sideways swivel to get up out of my seat. I push up from my own seat arms and backrest rather than yank on the reclined seat in front of me. I often wish other passengers were similarly thoughtful, but life can be disappointing. Of course I aim to upgrade to J long-haul, or Y+ as a distant 2nd choice (no movable arm rest to permit sideways access, and not that much more room once the seat in front is reclined). But as others have said, it is the airlines essentially to blame here, squeezing us into Y so that we plan/pay/hoard points etc to score more real estate. I like the idea of the E+ (Extra space) option, but am not aware of many airlines offering this. I am fond of my platinum shadow when I am lucky enough for it to visit me, and sometimes wish I could trade the shadow's seat next to me for the one in front of me. A reason to sit two rows behind the bulkhead and exit rows, which are always full .

 

[Mal Ware]

Paragraphs are your friend.

 

[11sjw]

Economy tray tables supposedly not useable due to seat recline. They're designed to stay in the same location when a seat reclines due to the way they are fixed to the seat in front. See photo:


The table is rotating about the same point as the seat, ie the seat won't influence the table's position. Yes if you have a large laptop a reclined seat makes it more difficult to use. However that is due to the recline reducing the distance from the tray table to the seat back, not because the tray table moved.

I had a look in two 717s that I travelled in yesterday and if you don't fit in with your tray table down you're definitely larger than the average bear (note to all: I need to drop 3 or 4 kg so no flame thx!!). Regional 717s aren't exactly the largest seat and there was ample room for me at 6'2" & 92kgs even when the gent in front decided to recline.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Mal Ware, you would have had a heart attack on my recent HKG-SYD flight. Lady in front of me reclined the whole way.

Did it bother me? No. l just reclined.

 

[mannej]

Paragraphs are your friend.

Alan Joyce is yours

 

[atreides]

It's amazing this thread is still going. Before you post, think about all the lost hours of productivity robbed from the Australian economy