Dan Murphy's and Other Wine Deals

redbigot

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I replied to an email from Wine Star saying how disappointed I was that they had resorted to selling the Curtis Cavaliere with its massive RRP discount, when usually they could be relied upon for recommendations: Mystery MC151 McLaren Vale Cabernet Sauvignon 2015 - Mystery Wine
Perhaps I should have read the original email more closely as there was a comment about the RRP, but based on the reply I got (and removing me from the mailing list), they didn't appreciate my feedback...
Times change, back in the 90's/00's when Winestar was getting started they had an active Forum and regular trips around the major cities for wine dinners with customers. Then they got big enough to not need that and the Forum is long gone.

In almost every case the Winestar mystery wines also appear on their site as regular listings, as do the mystery offerings of some other retailers such as Wine Direct. That makes it easy to identify, but I do wonder if it is really ethical to do that and are there any actual sales at the high price to less wary customers.
 
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Was Curtis another one selling wines to China at mega inflated RRP and then did the same here? I like the play on words.
I don't think so - they were a permanent fixture on WineDirect website offering "generous" discounts off the RRPs in 2015 onwards. I purchased Curtis Cavaliere shiraz for about $15-20 (there were giving away 2 free bottles at the time) and wasn't disappointed. It was a good McLaren shiraz worth about that much. I don't understand as to why they have to do these RRPs shenanigans.
 

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Speaking of inflated RRP…

JD Secret Wine #362 down from $300 to $124.98 is Pertaringa Tipsy Hill Cabernet Sauvignon 2017 (JH99).
Pretty sure I tried this vintage. Received a bottle as a gift. Very nice wine. Hard to determine what my buy price would be though. Interesting to know what you forum members would cross shop at the JD price? The wooden box and wrapping paper is a lovely touch though.
 

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Times change, back in the 90's/00's when Winestar was getting started they had an active Forum and regular trips around the major cities for wine dinners with customers. Then they got big enough to not need that and the Forum is long gone.

In almost every case the Winestar mystery wines also appear on their site as regular listings, as do the mystery offerings of some other retailers such as Wine Direct. That makes it easy to identify, but I do wonder if it is really ethical to do that and are there any actual sales at the high price to less wary customers.

I thought the forum just died a natural death. Ie, no one was posting there.
 

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Hi all, what's the 'good' price for wynns black cs nowadays? Qantas has the latest 2019 at $24.33 pb (with points club and coupon WYNNS)
 

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SkyeCellars.
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PARINGA SHIRAZ 2019
92 Points - Mike Bennie The Wine Front

A ripper value red here

Bold, big, fleshy and full, booze soaked berries, figs and dates, smoky spice and clove/cedar wood notes abound.
It sits plush and lush in the palate and drives with thick rolls of tannin.
A trued winter warmer finding excellent balance and concentration.

92 Points - Mike Bennie The Wine Front.

$80.64/dozen.

I Bought a dozen, thinking about buying another at under $7 a bottle.
 
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Whining&dining

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I replied to an email from Wine Star saying how disappointed I was that they had resorted to selling the Curtis Cavaliere with its massive RRP discount, when usually they could be relied upon for recommendations: Mystery MC151 McLaren Vale Cabernet Sauvignon 2015 - Mystery Wine
Perhaps I should have read the original email more closely as there was a comment about the RRP, but based on the reply I got (and removing me from the mailing list), they didn't appreciate my feedback...
I had a similar experience with the owner quite a few years ago when I ordered a dozen of the Elefante Tempy that everyone seemed to be hyping up at the time, the site indicated under T&C that they were happy to accept returns (I was seriously underwhelmed with the wine) but didn't add that vital caveat "at the buyer's expense". Needless to say the cost of return postage was exorbitant from Tas and I ended up giving away/cooking with the remaining eleven bottles. The tone of the email correspondence with the owner was downright nasty, I've never been back...
 

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I had a similar experience with the owner quite a few years ago when I ordered a dozen of the Elefante Tempy that everyone seemed to be hyping up at the time, the site indicated under T&C that they were happy to accept returns (I was seriously underwhelmed with the wine) but didn't add that vital caveat "at the buyer's expense". Needless to say the cost of return postage was exorbitant from Tas and I ended up giving away/cooking with the remaining eleven bottles. The tone of the email correspondence with the owner was downright nasty, I've never been back...
I first met Bert Werden when he was doing wine dinners for customers in the start-up phase of Winestar, when the business/site name changed from WineWerdz to Winestar in late 2000. I've never really bought a lot there, for a number of reasons, but I've never had any significant issues with Bert himself.

His attitude to selling wine is fairly obvious, offer a good range of wines at a competitive (not usually cheapest) price and encourage full dozen buys with subsidised Fastway/Aramex freight. He expects buyer to do their due diligence before buying, hence the restrictive (even uncompetitive) returns policy for change of mind. W&D and Lucas, I don't know how much you have bought from Winestar in the past, but he would no doubt have checked before responding. He must be doing something right, still going strong in a tough business after 22 years.

On a positive note, my last communication with Bert was via a fortuitous online chat whilst looking at Farnese Fantini Edizione Cinque Autoctoni and I managed to get him to offer a decent discount on the wine for myself and my Forum members (he is a member there too, likes to keep an eye on what's happening). I do seem to have ordered more there in recent years, 9 orders last year (not all for me), 5 in 2020, 1 in 2019 and none for many years prior.
 

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I really like Winestar's hot weather policy. Being over in WA it means they have often held onto wine for quite a few months after purchase date before sending it onto me. Definitely saves from heat damage, especially in times where delivery delays are common
 

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I first met Bert Werden when he was doing wine dinners for customers in the start-up phase of Winestar, when the business/site name changed from WineWerdz to Winestar in late 2000. I've never really bought a lot there, for a number of reasons, but I've never had any significant issues with Bert himself.

He must be doing something right, still going strong in a tough business after 22 years.
I can only reiterate that the tone of his communication bordered on the abusive, was extremely unpleasant and scores a zero in terms of customer support or satisfaction (and yes, I did my due diligence on the wine in question)....
 

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I first met Bert Werden when he was doing wine dinners for customers in the start-up phase of Winestar, when the business/site name changed from WineWerdz to Winestar in late 2000. I've never really bought a lot there, for a number of reasons, but I've never had any significant issues with Bert himself.

His attitude to selling wine is fairly obvious, offer a good range of wines at a competitive (not usually cheapest) price and encourage full dozen buys with subsidised Fastway/Aramex freight. He expects buyer to do their due diligence before buying, hence the restrictive (even uncompetitive) returns policy for change of mind. W&D and Lucas, I don't know how much you have bought from Winestar in the past, but he would no doubt have checked before responding. He must be doing something right, still going strong in a tough business after 22 years.

On a positive note, my last communication with Bert was via a fortuitous online chat whilst looking at Farnese Fantini Edizione Cinque Autoctoni and I managed to get him to offer a decent discount on the wine for myself and my Forum members (he is a member there too, likes to keep an eye on what's happening). I do seem to have ordered more there in recent years, 9 orders last year (not all for me), 5 in 2020, 1 in 2019 and none for many years prior.
Winestar was my first go to online site (a long time ago!) and I still buy from them every now and then (but less so now I'm using cb much more).

Bert and his team were always really good to deal with, including a few times we had issues with orders. Maybe he is having a cough day/month/year. No excuse for being rude to a customer of course, but it is the opposite of my experience.

I have noticed WS getting more into less great wines recently with the mystery label. No surprise then that the Curtis would show up there - though I agree too that it's ok for $20. I still have some '15 cavaliere which I rather liked.
 

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"If you wish to return wine not to your taste or you have changed your mind, we would be happy to refund in full any bottles returned to us (if we are satisfied they have been shipped to you, stored and handled correctly) with a deduction made for our initial freight and insurance fee. This will vary depending on your location. Please email us before sending any wine so we can expect it. Returns should be sent to the following address and not sent back in times of extreme heat (which may void your refund). Refunds will be processed within 24 hours of receipt of goods."

I bought the wine years ago so maybe Bert is taking his happy pills these days but the wording of his Returns policy is still the same, nowhere does he stipulate that the return freight is at the buyer's expense; even though the purchase was made quite a few years back the cost of return postage was $60 (presumably a lot more these days) and therefore untenable. The deduction for "initial freight and insurance" is also something I haven't come across before and would lessen the refund further when added to the impost of return freight. There are no end of sites online that have a more generous approach to their customers and I therefore I voted with my feet...
 

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