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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Respiratory illness - Effect on Travel

kyle

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Add seat belts, tray tables, seat pockets, head rests, arm rests, toilet door handles, entertainment screen
Basically everywhere your hands would touch.

Some people wipe down surfaces with disinfectant wet wipes. People worry about feet on bulkheads, but who has wiped down seat belt buckles?

Stairway handles or travelators hand holds, in any environment are particularly icky
On my way back from SIN on SQ, I had a pack of anti-bacterial wipes with me and basically wiped down the armrests, the remote, the storage flaps, tray tables, table fastener, seat belt buckles, and the part of the lie flat bed where my legs went.
 

drron

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Oh but you aren’t allowed to squat on the toilet rim either!
No feet wide apart and all parts to be more than 15cm from the throne.

More seriously the CDC held a press conference on the cvid-19 virus last night.
Anne Schuchat the Principal Deputy Director said, ‘we absolutely assume that the reported cases are an underestimate.

And an interesting video towards the bottom of this page where President Xi tours a part of Beijing wearing a mask and saying he will not shake hands.
 

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No feet wide apart and all parts to be more than 15cm from the throne.

More seriously the CDC held a press conference on the cvid-19 virus last night.
Anne Schuchat the Principal Deputy Director said, ‘we absolutely assume that the reported cases are an underestimate.

And an interesting video towards the bottom of this page where President Xi tours a part of Beijing wearing a mask and saying he will not shake hands.
Start practising the squats held for a couple of minutes then.
 

trevella

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The quarantine officer was on the boat on the 3rd and 4th, and then worked in the office until the 7th. Came down with a fever on the 9th and sought medical care on the 10th.
 

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Except if the video from the elderly woman in there is true the people aren’t all that healthy. It is for people with the virus but who are currently well enough to walk and look after themselves to be isolated so they don’t spread it - doesn’t look like they are getting much more than basic treatment. If they are then moved from there to a proper hospital if they become seriously ill then I guess it works.
One thing I did not hear was, coughing, sneezing etc. You would expect a lot more of the sounds of sick people, I believe.
 

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Some coronavirus causes diarrhoea - and SARS was spread by super carriers with diarrhoea which caused faecal "plumes" o_O in apartment toilets and spread through other apartments by the wind:eek:.
It is possible that COVID-19 also causes diarrhoea and may then spread via the same method.

The current new cases on cruise ships occurring under quarantine were likely contracted before quarantine was imposed.

China sealed the Hubei provincial borders IIRC on January 23. However millions would have got out before the quarantine was imposed. Add 14 days and its Feb 6.
Within that quarantined area and in other areas in China, movements are limited - factories not opening, streets are relatively empty, people taking escalated hygiene measures. And If sick either go to hospital, or self isolate.

Feb 6 add in another week, and if the chinese quarantine measures are effective we should see a taper off of new cases assuming all cases are reported quickly and not picked up in retrospect. This is separate to the speculation that not all cases are reported within China. Though I suspect that it is not possible with a stretched health system, it is impossible to surveil everyone (50-60 million) with daily temperature readings as is occuring on Christmas Island

It is not clear from all the data when new cases are reported when those people first experienced symptoms.
Both new cases and deaths appear to be dropping today. Now I know that’s only one day and who knows how rubbery the figures are, but does it look like we have reached the peak?
 

Kent

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Most of these supposed viruses cant be screened for cause they dont exist other then normal cold and flu virus..as th above staed sars was a hoax...didnt eventuate and real stats show virtually no one acutally had it..this is same
Sad for people dying of any illness, but the hysteria is more likely to kill people than anything.. if you dont travel you dont relax so stress will get you..

believe politicians and medical spinners..wont touch medicare ever? how much is free now????
 
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Some coronavirus causes diarrhoea - and SARS was spread by super carriers with diarrhoea which caused faecal "plumes" o_O in apartment toilets and spread through other apartments by the wind:eek:.
It is possible that COVID-19 also causes diarrhoea and may then spread via the same method.
Being an engineer and the curious type I have done a little reading.

I did not find a report on it being spread by the wind.

The one case I can find (you may have an additional source) is this one where multiple factors were at play. In particular it will need to be in a building where the sewerage system is not functioning properly AND where the occupants are not ventilating properly (ie Bathrooms and toilets should only ever have air drawn out, rather than into the building via them).

The index patient in the second super-spreader outbreak was an individual on hemodialysis for chronic renal failure who had diarrhea and, on two occasions, stayed with his brother in Block E in the Amoy Gardens residential complex.
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Amoy Gardens has 19 residential blocks, with eight apartments on each of the 33 floors.
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In several bathrooms from block E, it was reported that the U-shaped traps linking the vertical drainage pipes, known as risers, to the sanitary fixtures, did not function properly. As a result, when water flowed down, the backflow from the risers was able to generate aerosols and spread pathogens into individual bathrooms. In addition, powerful window fans installed by residents in many bathrooms created a significant negative pressure that amplified the aerosol backflow. In the Amoy Gardens complex outbreak, 329 individuals were infected and 42 died.
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The cases occurred in clusters, at specific floor levels, in a pattern that simple person-to-person transmission could not explain, and an epidemiological investigation proposed, as a plausible explanation, a common source of exposure for all infected individuals.
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Approximately 45% of the infections occurred in Block E, the same block that the index patient visited, and approximately 60% were within flats 7 and 8, bordering the specific vertical riser thought to be involved. An investigation found that the index patient had very high concentrations of virus in the urine and feces, and proposed that aerosolization as a result of the hydraulic effect inside drainage pipes facilitated the spread of the pathogen.
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This outbreak revealed the importance of taking indoor air quality and building ventilation into account when exploring the dynamics of airborne pathogens. It was, in addition, suggested that in certain individuals, immune system defects could increase the viral load and make them become super-spreaders, as could have happened with the index patient who was undergoing hemodialysis, which is known to impair both innate and adaptive immunity.

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TAKE AWAY: Do not stay in poorly maintained and/or designed buildings and especially during outbreaks.
 

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I always wear gloves in winter when there are a lot of germs about and I think they help a lot. I am going to go the the chemist and buy cotton ones for airplane etc. You could even soak them in hand sanitizer if you were keen.
 

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Most of these supposed viruses cant be screened for cause they dont exist other then normal cold and flu virus..as th above staed sars was a hoax...didnt eventuate and real stats show virtually no one acutally had it..this is same
Sad for people dying of any illness, but the hysteria is more likely to kill people than anything.. if you dont travel you dont relax so stress will get you..

believe politicians and medical spinners..wont touch medicare ever? how much is free now????
Sorry, sounds like unsubstantiated gibberish.

Please supply reliable sources and references for members to read.
 

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I suspect that many are tiring of the endless bad news and have retreated to the bar, so my apologies for adding to the "wall of worry " enveloping us all.


We represent an interdisciplinary group of scientists and policymakers at the Scowcroft Institute’s Pandemic and Biosecurity Policy Program based at the Bush School of Government at Texas A&M University who have been holding annual summits addressing pandemic-related issues for the past five years. One of our goals is to promote dialogue on potential risks related to pandemics and U.S. security, in this case the disruption of supply chains and availability of medical supplies and drugs.

Today, about 80% of pharmaceuticals sold in the U.S. are produced in China. This number, while concerning, hides an even greater problem: China is the largest and sometimes only global supplier for the active ingredient of some vital medications. The active ingredients for medicines that treat breast cancer and lung cancer and the antibiotic Vancomycin, which is a last resort antibiotic for some types of antimicrobial resistant infections, are made almost exclusively in China. Additionally, China controls such a large market portion of heparin, a blood thinner used in open-heart surgery, kidney dialysis and blood transfusions that the U.S. government was left with no choice but to continue buying from China even after a contamination scandal in 2007.
 

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No feet wide apart and all parts to be more than 15cm from the throne.

More seriously the CDC held a press conference on the cvid-19 virus last night.
Anne Schuchat the Principal Deputy Director said, ‘we absolutely assume that the reported cases are an underestimate.

And an interesting video towards the bottom of this page where President Xi tours a part of Beijing wearing a mask and saying he will not shake hands.
The power stance 😂
 

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