Compulsory use of Full Body Scanners in SYD and MEL

[NFF]

Would metal buttons on clothing pose a problem ?

 

[medhead]

Would metal buttons on clothing pose a problem ?

Doubt it. The second time I did it something was marked on the image (it's stick figure), I offered to check it and the guy said it's just the pocket. Buttons would be no problem.

 

[drron]

Metal is no problem.It is now my preferred mode of going through security since my knee replacement.The metal has no effect unlike the usual security screening.
So in the USA I ask for the body scanner so that my pre check status actually means something.Unfortunately the civil liberties groups in the US activities have slowed the introduction and on every occasion I did have to ask for the scanner.Going through normal security means I will have a pat down and wanding every time.

 

[get me outta here]

Yes, I have a new knee too and I find the same thing.

Metal is no problem.It is now my preferred mode of going through security since my knee replacement.The metal has no effect unlike the usual security screening.
So in the USA I ask for the body scanner so that my pre check status actually means something.Unfortunately the civil liberties groups in the US activities have slowed the introduction and on every occasion I did have to ask for the scanner.Going through normal security means I will have a pat down and wanding every time.

 

[Himeno]

Is anyone still trying to fight this cough?
I've been contacting the party leaders about it at least once a month since the bill was tabled and all public comments ignored before forcing it through.

Still waiting on a reply from DIT about people being medically unable to use them.

 

[drron]

Is anyone still trying to fight this cough?
I've been contacting the party leaders about it at least once a month since the bill was tabled and all public comments ignored before forcing it through.

Still waiting on a reply from DIT about people being medically unable to use them.

I am interested-who is medically unable to use them?

PS-there are a couple of reasons but several illogical reasons in the public domain.

 

[The Rok]

Meh, free X-Ray, I'm in...

 

[medhead]

Meh, free X-Ray, I'm in...

It's not an x-ray in Australia

 

[Himeno]

I am interested-who is medically unable to use them?

PS-there are a couple of reasons but several illogical reasons in the public domain.

... people unable to assume and hold the position for the amount of time required. people for whom the machine assumes one thing when the reality is something else. etc


regardless, what pisses me off the most about this is that all through the trial and public consultation, an opt out option was promised. The entire thing was moving slowly and was on the back burner. Then the (now) former transport minster got a visit from the (now) former TSA head. Suddenly, it's being tabled in parliament with no opt out and they attempt to ram it through as quickly as possible.
It goes to both house and senate transport committees who seek public comment. EVERY SINGLE public comment said that an opt out was required. Both committees stated in their report recommendations that the opt out should be returned as an option. Both reports and every public comment was ignored. By both major parties.
As a result, neither major party deserves my vote any longer.

 

[drron]

... people unable to assume and hold the position for the amount of time required. people for whom the machine assumes one thing when the reality is something else. etc


regardless, what pisses me off the most about this is that all through the trial and public consultation, an opt out option was promised. The entire thing was moving slowly and was on the back burner. Then the (now) former transport minster got a visit from the (now) former TSA head. Suddenly, it's being tabled in parliament with no opt out and they attempt to ram it through as quickly as possible.
It goes to both house and senate transport committees who seek public comment. EVERY SINGLE public comment said that an opt out was required. Both committees stated in their report recommendations that the opt out should be returned as an option. Both reports and every public comment was ignored. By both major parties.
As a result, neither major party deserves my vote any longer.

First it will usually be obvious when someone cant stand for the time eg if wheelchair bound.As now they will bypass scanners and at the very least have the wand.
As to the assumption that something is there that is not the metal detectors are terrible at that-anyone with metal in there body is going to have to undergo secondary screening.
Also those with pacemakers etc should to be sure state that they have one if the wand is to be used.And should not stop in the metal detector.
Pat downs also throw up false positives.A few years ago I was wearing a knee support transitting through LHR and was subject to a strip search because of that.
Also after a patdown at MIA the TSA officer asked to do a the check patdown yelled across the terminal-"It's just man coughs".

So IMHO the whole body scanner is the safest of the technologies.It is likely anyone having a conscientious objection to one is going to subject him/herself to a more dangerous technology-albeit of minimal risk.

 

[medhead]

Opt out was only relevant when they were planning to use X-rays. They changed that and there is no need for an opt out.

 

[Happy Trails]

I have to wonder about their efficacy when they seemingly can't differentiate a handkerchief in your pocket from a weapon of mass destruction.

 

[Himeno]

Opt out was only relevant when they were planning to use X-rays. They changed that and there is no need for an opt out.

They were never planning to use backscatter in australia.

They decided that a frisk search for opting out wouldn't be acceptable, despite what everyone said about it. The simple fact is that the government changed their minds at the last minute for no reason and completely ignored everything the people they work for said.

 

[medhead]

They were never planning to use backscatter in australia.

They decided that a frisk search for opting out wouldn't be acceptable, despite what everyone said about it. The simple fact is that the government changed their minds at the last minute for no reason and completely ignored everything the people they work for said.

That's wrong. They did plan to use back scatter X-ray.

 

[JohnK]

What is it like to go through one in Australia ?

Not an experience I want repeated.

I was chosen for the full body scan in April. Told to line up over there.

What I don't like is your personal belongings go in normal x-ray machine and when you are using the full body scanner you are facing away from your personal belongings. I am paranoid and do not trust that my belongings are going to be safe. Not too difficult to lift something off a tray that is not yours.

And the knuckle heads working SYD security never cease to amaze me. Told to line up over there. Nothing more. Then when my turn comes I am asked if there is anything in my pockets. Everything has to come out, including pens, glasses, and goes back outside into another tray. Why couldn't they tell me that when I was chosen so I could have at least kept all my things together in my jacket or laptop bag? Knuckle head is too kind. I was not very happy and had lost control but luckily not full control.

Next time I am going to make sure I am in the queue that is furthest from each full body scanner regardless of what queue I am asked to join. Moronic invention.