Cabcharge & Working EFTPOS Terminals in Taxis

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medhead decided to confuse the issue by saying that me not allowing the cabbie his $150 has deprived him of his earnings all night.

Granted the cabbie may only earn $100 a night or something, but my one fare was not going to pay for it all, it would have come from other fares as well.

The way the taxi industry works in most cities is that the driver pays the owner of the cab a bailment fee to hire the cab for the shift. The fee varies according to the day of the week, with Saturday nights typically attracting a higher rate than (say) Tuesday morning. The cabbie has to pay for the gas he uses, plus cleaning (car wash and vacuum each night in my case). That's money that comes out of his pocket whether or not he takes in any money at all.

He then keeps the money from fares. If the money he takes in works out to be more than the bailment fee and gas and expenses, then every dollar made over that amount is all good. He works a twelve hour shift, pays $200 for bailment and gas, and takes in $300 in fares, he's made $100 for the night. Before GST and income tax, of course.

Alternatively, if he doesn't take in the $200 he's already paid for the cab and will pay for gas, then he's lost money. Worked a long shift and paid for the privilege. This happens fairly often, especially if the driver is new and inexperienced.

So yes, one fare could well make a huge difference.
 
Fact is I changed my credit cards details and stopped any potential fraud.

Cabbie shoudl fix his EFTPOS, potentially not have lied about his machine working and filled out the voucher correctly.

If I recall correctly on the cabcharge forms, the passenger is supposed to fill the details in

What is "potential lying" ? There is no reason to suppose that that machine is not working; the cab driver has no benefit in using the paper transaction forms


Dave
 
Fact is I changed my credit cards details and stopped any potential fraud.
Yes you did. Well done.

Cabbie shoudl fix his EFTPOS, potentially not have lied about his machine working and filled out the voucher correctly.
Yes it should be fixed by the operator.

Well I am "disgusted" too as you say cabbies may LIE to a a customer that their machine is not working as they deseprately needs cash..
The cabbies should not lie and no one is saying they should. It has been suggested as an explanation only.

I am going to find the pot and the kettle, they are both black I think.....
No comment needed:!:



Having said all that you have admitted on a public forum that you have effectively robbed the driver and don't plan to 'fix' the problem.

Remember the saying
If you have integrity, nothing else matters,
If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.

Where do you fit here?
 
Fact is I changed my credit cards details and stopped any potential fraud.

Stopping 'potential' fraud means the cabbie cannot obtain his payment for the service rendered. The cabbie also has not committed any fraud.

Anyway, the transaction may just get transferred onto your new card.
 
I had a conversation with my regular Melbourne driver. He said that the cabbies take the voucher to a broker who gives them approx 2 percent of the transaction fee in CASH. This goes to the driver, not the owner.

Simple and smart business really. I'm sure that nobody here will say no thanks to this if it was offered by your work.

Honestly, I have no problem with it. I have a receipt so I can claim back the funds from my company immediately. I just make sure that the voucher is filled out properly each time BEFORE I sign it. Don't forget that the Tax Invoice must include all taxes and transaction fees.

If the driver refuses to do the proper thing, you can always request a trip to the nearest police station to sort out the matter.
 
You have ripped the cabbie off for $150. That's a fact. You wouldn't reach across the counter at Coles and pull three pineapples out of the register, would you?

Even if you think the driver's time is worthless, the gas used for a long trip has to be paid for by someone.

Frankly, I'm disgusted.

I am too. I couldn't believe that anyone would admit such a thing in a public forum.

Sure, he might have used your details for other unscrupulous things, but we'll never actually know that. If you really were concerned you'd have called the company and paid them directly the next day, instead of just ripping him off completely.

That's so low.

I hope the cabbie makes a complaint, after all, he's got your CC numbers and name, and this thread will probably help his case.
 
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Fact is I changed my credit cards details and stopped any potential fraud.

Cabbie shoudl fix his EFTPOS, potentially not have lied about his machine working and filled out the voucher correctly.

Well I am "disgusted" too as you say cabbies may LIE to a a customer that their machine is not working as they deseprately needs cash..

I am going to find the pot and the kettle, they are both black I think.....

mate the fact is you have STOLEN from the cabbie.
 
Credit card fraud is a criminal offense as well.

Too stupid to sign a blank voucher with my credit card details all over it.

Yes I MUST remember to hand across my credit card numbers, expiry date and signature to more people, more often!
But the cabbie didn't defraud your credit card did he? No! Instead you denied him his rightfully pay.

Yes, it is your fault for signing a blank voucher. You are perfectly within your rights to insist that the voucher is filled in. Instead, what, it was too hard for you to sit there for another 30 seconds and fill in the details yourself. If you read the voucher the passenger is supposed to write in the amount. That is all you had to do, write "one hundred and fifty dollars", "zero cents" in the lower center of the voucher and "150" in the total on the lower right side of the voucher and then sign it. Then also collect the carbon paper bit from the cabbie - again insist if necessary.

Too hard for you to do and then you accuse the cabbie of defrauding you. Perhaps you need to try a bit harder to protect yourself. You should also realise there are many good reason why a manual voucher might be required, as others as mentioned.

To be very clear it is the passengers responsibililty to fill in the voucher a good driver will do it for you. But do you realise that some ESL drivers, new australians might have some slight difficulty with the writeen word.

If a driver makes $150 a night that's not my problem, perhaps they should find a job that pays alot more
I can't believe you wrote that, if that happened, how would superior people like you get home? When I drove cabs back during Keating's recession (and later), a government got voted out for comments like that - remember keating to the students, "why don't you go get a really job".

medhead decided to confuse the issue by saying that me not allowing the cabbie his $150 has deprived him of his earnings all night.

Granted the cabbie may only earn $100 a night or something, but my one fare was not going to pay for it all, it would have come from other fares as well.
This really makes me wonder how you get your superior attitude about money. Some simple maths is required.

Take an example from my experience. The numbers are maybe 10 years old so we have to allow for some increase in fares etc.
A good night I would earn maybe $350 (to round off)
At the end of the night I have to do my pay in, that involves recording certain memories readings from the meter, such as total fares, total extras, kilometers travelled etc. (This is from the meter, there can be maybe 6 to 10 programable memories in a meter)
From total fares I subtract fuel/oils - $310
(NB I was lucky my owner paid all fuel and oils, many others don't)

I then got 50% of the $310. That leaves me with $155.
(again lucky, I've heard of as low as 40%. I guess my owner was good to drivers because he wanted a good driver, others don't care)

I pay in $155 made up of my vouchers first and then cash. All good? No becasue 2 weeks later my owner comes back and tells me I owe him $150 because the voucher bounced. I have a contract with the owner, I have to pay him his share. So guess what I'm out of pocket because you cancelled your card.

Yes inflation has increase a cabbies take, but only to turn $350 into mayb $450 - $500. So theguy maybe ends up with $50 instead of $5. Good for a nights work!
 
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So lovestotravel - Now that we have been assured (by yourself) that you only cancelled the card to prevent 'potential' fraud, you will be paying the $150 to the cabbie still.

After all, you do have his license number and we don't want anyone to be defrauded here, do we?
 
If lovestotravel used the services of a taxi, and then after paying for that service with a credit card cancels the transaction and/or changes the credit cards etc specifically to avoid any 'perceived' threat of fraud by the driver, and he has not made any attempt to pay the fare then effectively he has committed the offence of "obtain a financial benefit by deception" under the Crimes Act, and deception can be committed by defrauding a person or machine such as AMT etc. The driver has all the information on the credit card voucher to enable the Police to persue criminal action should the matter be reported, so don't complain if this does occur.
 
The amount was never transferred to my new card!

This "incident" occurred many years ago :)

credit card fraud taxi drivers - Google Search

Says more than enough about the problems rife in the industry. According to some on here everyones problems with taxi driver credit card fraud must all be "false"............

Oh look even more

BEWARE! Melbourne Taxi Scam! ... - Thorn Tree travel forum - Lonely Planet
No, we are saying that your imaginary problems with credit card fraud are false.

Not only that you have broken the law to prevent something that never happended. (Did you even consider how the guy was going to buy food for his kids?)

And then you came on here and proudly annouced how you'd ripped off someone at the poor end of society. I thought this forum was about legal methods to make the most of what companies offer. Not about illegally ripping of the smallest, most defenseless person we can find. I don't know what morals you have but I don't share them.

Please stop insulting my intelligence by trying to defend the indefensible.

BTW you 2 links seem to send me to the same complaint, as the first search result. What does that prove, someone complaned twice in 2 different forums. Wow!
 
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Could I ask "lovestotravel" not to come into my store on one of the occasional days that my online eftpos system goes down. Otherwise, I'd have to call the police and charge you with theft if you took something from me and canceled the credit card transaction which I would have done on the old manual transaction triple coupon with all your card details on it.
 
[Fraud] Very unlikley regardless of what God Google has said) still has the CC numbers - unless the CC gets cancelled, the supposed fraud will still take place.

Seems that some cannot read.... especially the ex taxi driver.

Very glad I canceled my card after dodgy behaviour by the "smallest, most defenseless person we can find"

melbourne taxi driver fraud - Google Search

Yep small and defenseless
 
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Could I ask "lovestotravel" not to come into my store on one of the occasional days that my online eftpos system goes down. Otherwise, I'd have to call the police and charge you with theft if you took something from me and canceled the credit card transaction which I would have done on the old manual transaction triple coupon with all your card details on it.

Foolish to let any goods leave the store if you don't have the money in your drawer or via EFTPOS

If you take the risk, be prepared to pay the price if something goes wrong.

Maybe look at how you run your business ?

Oh and I wouldn't be letting you take down my credit card details on a manual form, I would go elsewhere or come back another time or pay via cash :)
 
Seems that some cannot read.... especially the ex taxi driver.

Very glad I canceled my card after dodgy behaviour by the "smallest, most defenseless person we can find"

melbourne taxi driver fraud - Google Search

Yep small and defenseless

Are you going to pinpoint the specific driver you had was involved in the scam or are you going to simply keep perpetrating the same anecdotal evidence via Google?

I think many of us are capable of using Google. Get back to the argument at hand, and preferably with a justification as to how you will rightfully be paying the fare to your secure satisfaction.
 
Seems that some cannot read.... especially the ex taxi driver.

Very glad I canceled my card after dodgy behaviour by the "smallest, most defenseless person we can find"

melbourne taxi driver fraud - Google Search

Yep small and defenseless

Although this thread is getting out of hand, there is still no evidence that the driver of the taxi you used on the night in question used, or intended to use your credit card details and if even one taxi driver has entered into a criminal enterprise to scam pax using their credit cards, you still can't brand all taxi drivers the same.
 
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