Ban on Garuda Airlines? (Next Sunday 630PM)

[pauly7]

Just saw the teaser for the new lead story to be featured on Channel Seven's Sunday Night program next week (Sun 19th 630PM)...

I'm sure it will be a high quality piece but it looks like they are running with a 'do not fly theme' story - listing the number of countries that ban Garuda (UK, US et), questioning why they are allowed to fly to Australia at all etc - and interviewing the pilot of the terrible 737 accident who got 2 years recently...

Just thought I'd give people the heads up - Sunday Night is about level with 60 minutes in terms of quality (i.e. garbage) but will be interesting to hear what the pilot says anyway...

 

[anat0l]

IIRC Garuda is still banned from flying in the EU, although there is a whole lot of fracas around that, involving miscommunications with the EU as well as the EU perhaps being generally an tight cough (but all speculative). Along with all other Indonesian carriers, I'm not sure of any other carriers in our part of the world which is similarly restricted.

 

[dajop]

IIRC Garuda is still banned from flying in the EU, although there is a whole lot of fracas around that, involving miscommunications with the EU as well as the EU perhaps being generally an tight cough (but all speculative). Along with all other Indonesian carriers, I'm not sure of any other carriers in our part of the world which is similarly restricted.

Isn't there a wholesale concern around the lack of trust in Indonesian government's ability to regulate airline safety of Indonesian carriers to accepted international standards?

I personally don't have a high degree of confidence in Garuda (except when compared to other Indonesian carriers), and not going out tomorrow to fly them. But a valid question may be how much do Garuda spend on channel 7 advertising compared to other carriers to Bali (JQ, DJ)? Not saying that has anything to do with it, but still important for the media to disclose these interests.

 

[moa999]

And the other minor issue.
If Aus bans Garuda, there is a fair chance that other Aussie airlines (eg the red rat) may be banned from Indonesia overfly rights.

Get out your atlas and realise how much of a pain (both flight time and cost) that would be.

 

[pauly7]

But a valid question may be how much do Garuda spend on channel 7 advertising compared to other carriers to Bali (JQ, DJ)? Not saying that has anything to do with it, but still important for the media to disclose these interests.

Never have or will - keep dreaming . If you are in the right industry it is fairly easy to track though. I can tell you JQ and QF spent about the same amount last year and DJ was about 20% less more or less...

 

[pauly7]

Did anyone catch this piece? Pretty ordinary - did anyone know the 'aviation expert' who was calling for them to be banned from Australia?

Most interesting part for me was when they jumped in the simulator and re-created the landing with all the warnings and alarms going off.... scary stuff!

 

[oz_mark]

Did anyone catch this piece? Pretty ordinary - did anyone know the 'aviation expert' who was calling for them to be banned from Australia?

Geoffrey Thomas, who is an aviation journalist.

 

[mannej]

Having only caught the end of the piece, I agree that it was fairly ordinary. One interesting thing I found is the host said that she would chose not to fly with an airline that lands their planes at 215 km/h. Not knowing the full specifics but I would have thought that was close to landing speed.

Yes I know she got km/h mixed up with knots

 

[uncreative_mastermind]

they painted a really poor picture of garuda. but one question i have. didnt this attribute to pilot errror? by the looks of the article the pilot was completly in the wrong. nothing the airline could of done to aviod this...

 

[samh004]

Didn't end up watching it as the grand prix was on and I couldn't tear myself away.

 

[NM]

they painted a really poor picture of garuda. but one question i have. didnt this attribute to pilot errror? by the looks of the article the pilot was completly in the wrong. nothing the airline could of done to aviod this...

Pilots, and especially those that hold the rank of Captain, are fairly senior representatives of any airline's management staff. Poor pilot skills is a direct reflection on the airline's training processes and pilot evaluation processes. This is also a reflection of the airline's CRM (Crew Resource Management) processes which potentially points to a systemic problem within the airline.

 

[dajop]

Pilots, and especially those that hold the rank of Captain, are fairly senior representatives of any airline's management staff. Poor pilot skills is a direct reflection on the airline's training processes and pilot evaluation processes.

Which is why, despite all the doom and gloom that's spread in the media, QF still are an extremely safe airline with robust training and highly skilled pilots. Now if a hole were suddenly be blown in the fuselage, or a computer started eratically moving the plane up and down, I know which airline's pilot skills and training I'd rather rely on.

 

[harvyk]

And the other minor issue.
If Aus bans Garuda, there is a fair chance that other Aussie airlines (eg the red rat) may be banned from Indonesia overfly rights.

Get out your atlas and realise how much of a pain (both flight time and cost) that would be.

I'd wonder how BA manages then? Are they able to still fly over Indonesia or do they have to fly around (I personally don't know as I haven't yet flown with them)

 

[NM]

I'd wonder how BA manages then? Are they able to still fly over Indonesia or do they have to fly around (I personally don't know as I haven't yet flown with them)

I do not believe there are any current bans by the Indonesian government for BA flights. But politics is probably a little different between Indonesia and the UK and Indonesia and Australia. And BA's four flights a day in the region is very small compared with the number of GA and QF flights that could be affected.

 

[JohnK]

I have never had the opportunity to fly Garuda so cannot comment on the airline apart from the high number of incidents in recent times.

If would be disappointing if Indonesia did not allow Australian aircraft to fly over Indonesian airspace as that may also impact on the tourisnm industry to Bali....

 

[v8Statesman]

If would be disappointing if Indonesia did not allow Australian aircraft to fly over Indonesian airspace as that may also impact on the tourisnm industry to Bali....

Would also make my staple flight (PER-SIN) a lot longer.