Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[teammongo]

Brisbane, Ipswich, Logan, moreton and Redlands lockdown 1800 today to Monday 1800
ABC news

 

[hydrabyss]

1 case and a lockdown

My goodness

Looking at the length of lockdown in the UK shows they don't want to take any risks with this strain.

 

[james4321]

1 case and a lockdown

My goodness

Just to be clear and fair. Its for 3 days and its because the risk is the UK strain. Happy to comply

 

[Lynda2475]

The cleaner in Qld. So she developed symptoms and was tested on that day. So why do they think she was infectious for the five days prior? I thought it was the 24 hours prior to symptoms or has that changed now? In which case it's pretty much impossible to contain.

The genomic sequence pinpointed the traveller who infected the cleaner, and therefore likely identified the exposure date as earlier. People tend to get a test when symptoms start to impwct them, often ignoring milder indicators earlier.

JY just noted she expects claeners partner will test positive.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It's ridiculous that the state government has no alternative but a lockdown with one single case identified.

Our state governments are behaving in a manner as though everyone lives off the government money tree. There are real people suffering out there because they, in 10 months, have not created an infrastructure to contain or suppress a minor covid-19 outbreak (remember they are the ones that also insist on elimination)

 

[hydrabyss]

Just to be clear and fair. Its for 3 days and its because the risk is the UK strain. Happy to comply

It's 3 days if cases stay very low, if numbers climb not sure what will happen but let's hope it does not get there.

 

[OATEK]

Yes, as I clearly stated that on Tuesday and on other days.

Including quoting Dan as per your quotes above.

Vic has recommended changes be made on a national basis.


But there is a huge difference between seeking and encouraging changes to forcing changes.

And moreso when on many measures states can and will decide what they will do anyway.

Implying that a person of Chen's standing and credibility would just be on such an expert commiittee as an extra vote to exert the will of Dan Andrews is just tinfoil hat stuff. Plus ignores that 2 people will not be able to force a committee of 25 to do anything.

Where did Chen come in to my post?

 

[SydneySwan]

1 case and a lockdown

My goodness

Great vote of confidence in Q contact tracers from AP and JY.

 

[jb747]

just a shame he wasn't onboard with that approach when SA proposed it months ago

NIH.

AP just put Greater Brisbane into a 3 day lockdown because of the cleaner case and mandatory masks.

I'm not sure that I see what effect a 3 day lockdown has.

Travelling to NSW at various points during the year, and I've never really been able to understand the reluctance to wear masks. Given the virus had no trouble crossing oceans, it would seem that the mighty Murray would present little obstacle.

 

[hydrabyss]

Great vote of confidence in Q contact tracers from AP and JY.

The problem is if it spreads so easily they may just be chasing their tales. Considering they brought the state cabinet meeting forward to discuss this exact thing happening I am not surprised. Look at Victoria's outbreak and this is 70% more transmissible than the strain we are used to.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

Get a room, guys. Or maybe two well-ventilated rooms and use the hotel phones after applying copious amounts of disinfectant.

You really need to get over this.

And your entitled to that opinion.

Wow oh Wow!

You need to stop exagerating what i say

Please stop twisting my words

Yes, as I clearly stated that on Tuesday and on other days.

Which is what i said last night

 

[zenyattamondatta]

this is 70% more transmissible than the strain we are used to.

*Modeling* claims that it is. Only time and actual scientific research will tell whether that's actually true, or whether--as happened with the Spanish variant--it's just happened to dominate recent cases due to human behavior.

It's certainly convenient for some leaders to blame a super-contagious mutant rather than their own incompetence.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Note that 10,000 test results have been delayed.


However with the extra day it would seem that no-one else in the Vermont Household has tested positive.

 

[Lynda2475]

I think voluntary mask usage indoors varied greatly depending on what part of state you were in. In my local majority have been wearing masks at supermarket, on bus and inside other shops pretty continuously since late March, whereas usage lower is south west and western Sydney and the regions.

Very few masks sighted here in Byron, i still wear one when entering shops here, and am in minority but everyone was masked on flight.

As ive not left house without a mask and hand sanitiser, the move to mandatory indoors is fine by me. I went to covid safe theatre (had to be masked) and it was fine even for that 4 hours (allowing for early seating, performance and safe exit).

I would however object if they were mandated for walking outside as they were in Vic during 2nd lockdown, as if out walking alone, keeping distance there is no upside but incredible impact of being able to breathe.

 

[oznflfan]

*Modeling* claims that it is. Only time and actual scientific research will tell whether that's actually true, or whether--as happened with the Spanish variant--it's just happened to dominate recent cases due to human behavior.

It's certainly convenient for some leaders (hello, Boris) to blame a super-contagious mutant rather than their own incompetence.

Betcha history will show all variants exactly the same, just showed up prior to third wave whereby factors excluding this virus strain caused the mass outbreaks in UK.

 

[hydrabyss]

*Modeling* claims that it is. Only time and actual scientific research will tell whether that's actually true, or whether--as happened with the Spanish variant--it's just happened to dominate recent cases due to human behavior.

It's certainly convenient for some leaders (hello, Boris) to blame a super-contagious mutant rather than their own incompetence.

I asked someone yesterday if it was proven and I am sure they said it was but I don't recall reading anything as of yet. But given the possibility and the potential a different strain can have on a vaccine's effectiveness they aren't taking chances.

I would also now be expecting other states to start looking into potential problems and learn from previous outbreaks. No point backtracking in a few days but start alerting potential cases that have travelled interstate.

Maybe it will be a false alarm and Brisbane lockdown will amount to an over reaction with very low numbers. But even a normal outbreak like Sydney in the North is still ongoing with lockdowns to continue for a few more days given a new case was found.

 

[tgh]

There is a huge intellectual spread across this thread, I have to duck down near the bucket to read some of it and occasionally stand on a ladder to reach the brilliance of the occasional gem.
Overall though ….

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I asked someone yesterday if it was proven and I am sure they said it was but I don't recall reading anything as of yet. But given the possibility and the potential a different strain can have on a vaccine's effectiveness they aren't taking chances.

I would also now be expecting other states to start looking into potential problems and learn from previous outbreaks. No point backtracking in a few days but start alerting potential cases that have travelled interstate.

Maybe it will be a false alarm and Brisbane lockdown will amount to an over reaction with very low numbers. But even a normal outbreak like Sydney in the North is still ongoing with lockdowns to continue for a few more days given a new case was found.

I think 3 days is just being cautious and will allow some significant test numbers to be done to determine the possible extent of this outbreak, and especially in the regions where exposure may have occurred.

 

[moa999]

1 case and a lockdown

Read elsewhere that they've identified over 70 contacts based on the woman's movements over the 2nd-5th so I suspect this has something to do with it. Plus being the UK strain (though reportedly only 50-70% more transmissive, not a multiple).

And consistent with Queensland's harder response than other states generally.

 

[ethernet]

Coronavirus as it happened: Greater Brisbane declared a hotspot, to enter lockdown after UK COVID strain found; WA to close border to Queensland

The Federal Government will apply more stringent requirements to international arrivals, including those coming from the UK where a more infectious strain of the virus is rampant.

www.smh.com.au

A few items in here. Talkfests at national cabinet in confidence will not alter the situation on the ground.The right words are strategic, tactical and operational. Words like tighten up will not correct error rates. Australia is supposed to have a BCN response capability, yet unable to process one cold esky containing 8K shots. There is also a SthAfrican strain to be wary of. Risk has moved up, timelines compressed. Israel saw critical path going to s...t and reacted. Time to call captains pick on the TGA, and draw a line around airport precinct. One is not privy to state budgets, but I would say the GST black hole is approaching terminal. Gotta love groupthink at these levels.