Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[oz_mark]

SA Premier getting spooked by higher cases in SA, about 1,000 today. Says he has to take action..............................

Close the borders, or go into full Lockdown? Not much else he can do, already shut down hospitality and you have to wear facemasks everywhere.

Accept it my political friend, you need COVID spread to get immunity and stop the COVID madness. All he wants to do is prolong the pain.

Well, yes, but you need to do so within clinical capacity.

WA has this to look forward to, but expect restrictions to tighten and loosen as they manage the health system.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Well, yes, but you need to do so within clinical capacity.

WA has this to look forward to, but expect restrictions to tighten and loosen as they manage the health system.

Which is totally wrong as they've had 2 years to prepare and are still locking people down for weeks on end and ruining business over New year for some sectors.

I'm sure they will use that time they are buying with other people's money very wisely and prepare accordingly.

Not.

 

[oznflfan]

Well, yes, but you need to do so within clinical capacity.

WA has this to look forward to, but expect restrictions to tighten and loosen as they manage the health system.

WA will remain a fortress, Marky Mark will backtrack on opening date to avoid opening WA to extreme cases of COVID ravaging Australia. Better to be safe than sorry.

Want to fly over for Top Fuellers at Motorplex on 5/6 March, but bugger all chance of that happening. If taking a glass half full mentality, I will wait until 6 Feb to book my flights.

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Which is totally wrong as they've had 2 years to prepare and are still locking people down for weeks on end and ruining business over New year for some sectors.

I'm sure they will use that time they are buying with other people's money very wisely and prepare accordingly.

Not.

And SA has 5 people in ICU. Adelaide's a small city, but Pretty sure there are more than 5 ICU beds in your billion dollar hospital system.

 

[Must...Fly!]

UK has about 75% of ICU beds taken and that's what, about 3-4 weeks in to omicron wildfire? With a lower vaccinated population than us, though higher immunity from natural infection.

 

[oz_mark]

WA will remain a fortress, Marky Mark will backtrack on opening date to avoid opening WA to extreme cases of COVID ravaging Australia. Better to be safe than sorry.

I lean toward it opening up, but I suspect there will be more restrictions than presently.announced.

The.alternative is to just kick the problem down the road..

 

[N860CR]

Nope. Because saying Covid is a cold is nonsensical in every way.

No. And I know that’s hard to accept after the last 2 years of propaganda. But in a 90% vaccinated population, covid is if anything slightly less severe than a common cold. Yes, some people in nursing homes will catch it and die, but the same would happen from a cold. That’s just the way it is.

 

[Pushka]

SA Premier getting spooked by higher cases in SA, about 1,000 today. Says he has to take action..............................

Close the borders, or go into full Lockdown? Not much else he can do, already shut down hospitality and you have to wear facemasks everywhere.

Accept it my political friend, you need COVID spread to get immunity and stop the COVID madness. All he wants to do is prolong the pain.

Haven't heard or read anything here. He can't shut borders as there are so many people interstate. We will hit 90% DD over 12's in next couple of days. Lock us down? Too many locals touring the state now. I'm done with it all.

No. And I know that’s hard to accept after the last 2 years of propaganda. But in a 90% vaccinated population, covid is if anything slightly less severe than a common cold. Yes, some people in nursing homes will catch it and die, but the same would happen from a cold. That’s just the way it is.

Getting details on the vaccination rate of people in hospital is hard to decipher. But there seems to be many breakthrough infections. Of course SA may be more scared of it by putting people into hospital who don't need to be.

 

[jase05]

Haven't heard or read anything here. He can't shut borders as there are so many people interstate. We will hit 90% DD over 12's in next couple of days. Lock us down? Too many locals touring the state now. I'm done with it all.

Yeah, can’t see much happening really. Probably see tests disappear completely and commit staff to where they are required

 

[Pushka]

Yeah, can’t see much happening really. Probably see tests disappear completely and commit staff to where they are required

Too much common sense there for it to happen. Maybe he is just bleating.

Just checked. Seems to be explaining yesterday's action. Or was it the day before Past tense
"It's doubling every three to four days. We had to take action," Premier Steven Marshall said.

 

[Steamrollersam]

Some people on this forum may be bitterly disappointed when no changes in SA are announced in the next few days I fear. Has hospitality shut down really, folks? I must be patronising the wrong places, because my family and I have dined out every day in the past two weeks bar Xmas. Restaurants and cafes are popular but not crazy packed. Rundle and Burnside had pretty brisk business in the past couple of days based on personal experience. Mask compliance in retail stores/gyms is almost 100% from my observation, but when walking outdoors I take mine off and I would say 50% do. It may be people I encounter daily are more chill, and accept this situation is the new normal.

 

[Pushka]

Some people on this forum may be bitterly disappointed when no changes in SA are announced in the next few days I fear. Has hospitality shut down really, folks? I must be patronising the wrong places, because my family and I have dined out every day in the past two weeks bar Xmas. Restaurants and cafes are popular but not crazy packed. Rundle and Burnside had pretty brisk business in the past couple of days based on personal experience. Mask compliance in retail stores/gyms is almost 100% from my observation, but when walking outdoors I take mine off and I would say 50% do. It may be people I encounter daily are more chill, and accept this situation is the new normal.

I think it's the night clubs impacted and the pubs. Gym classes significantly reduced. Not that I'm in Adelaide at the moment. Basically they wanted to shut down NYE. Many firework shows have been cancelled. The main one has been reduced to 2000 and ticketed. Smaller ones cancelled. Weddings have been reduced in numbers from say 120 to 70 and obviously last minute cancellations.

I'd describe the feeling as 'resigned' and not chill. Learned helplessness.

 

[jakeseven7]

Some people on this forum may be bitterly disappointed when no changes in SA are announced in the next few days I fear. Has hospitality shut down really, folks? I must be patronising the wrong places, because my family and I have dined out every day in the past two weeks bar Xmas. Restaurants and cafes are popular but not crazy packed. Rundle and Burnside had pretty brisk business in the past couple of days based on personal experience. Mask compliance in retail stores/gyms is almost 100% from my observation, but when walking outdoors I take mine off and I would say 50% do. It may be people I encounter daily are more chill, and accept this situation is the new normal.

Great news and I don’t know why anyone would be disappointed with that!

 

[Must...Fly!]

Government has 2 years to plan for it and didn't even plan to set up the systems to succeed.

If I was an impacted business owner I'd be ropable.

 

[drron]

Well my niece has just received a text about her result 155 hours after having test. both her and her mother positive. An unwanted birthday present for my niece.

 

[Steamrollersam]

Hopefully Marshall doesn’t make me rue my words! The gym I frequent has cancelled one class out of twelve—this class was impacted by a positive case in the Norwood cluster. Looking forward to NYE dinner in an eastern suburbs restaurant new to me, and Singapore next week. Having lived in North Terrace facing the Convention Centre for three years nearly a decade ago, I’ve had my fill of fireworks, but I can understand if families with young children get upset.

 

[kpc]

Well my niece has just received a text about her result 155 hours after having test. both her and her mother positive. An unwanted birthday present for my niece.

Did they have any symptoms? Close contact?

 

[scaredeycat]

WA will remain a fortress, Marky Mark will backtrack on opening date to avoid opening WA to extreme cases of COVID ravaging Australia. Better to be safe than sorry.

Want to fly over for Top Fuellers at Motorplex on 5/6 March, but bugger all chance of that happening. If taking a glass half full mentality, I will wait until 6 Feb to book my flights.

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And SA has 5 people in ICU. Adelaide's a small city, but Pretty sure there are more than 5 ICU beds in your billion dollar hospital system.

ICU beds are typically occupied in normal times by patients staying 1 to 3 days. These patients are often being supported following major surgery (e.g. coronary artery bypass surgery). Covid patients on the other hand tend to require an ICU bed for 2 to 3 weeks, displacing elective surgical patients who may have been waiting several months for their procedure. Add into the mix the effects of staff being furloughed or calling in sick and the situation snowballs. You also need to understand that a few days on life support also results in debility that requires rehabilitation. These patients don't just go straight home after a fortnight in ICU. The hospital system all over Australia was struggling prior to Covid, those who don't see what happens at the coalface have no idea what stress the staff have been under and to dismiss this catastrophe as an overreaction to no more than a cold is insulting, ignorant and callous. Which is not to say that I don't appreciate the devastation that has been imposed on many businesses, both large and small. I desperately hope that vaccination will restore the world to normal and that we can all get our lives back again. Hopefully the virus will evolve into a far more benign entity, but I don't think we have enough data yet to validate the approach taken by the eastern states. I live in Tasmania and I fear that Gutwein has caved in too early to pressure applied by Canberra and NSW. We have a public hospital that was falling apart before the border opened things, can only get worse over the next few weeks...

 

[Quickstatus]

Close the borders, or go into full Lockdown

Nah. Basically the whole country has tuned out…

Remember the Tooheys country special Ad.
“Who is goin to shear this last damn sheep?. You are! - we’re having a beer”

Pretty much sums up the whole show.

 

[Quickstatus]

I don't think we have enough data yet to validate the approach taken by the eastern states.

Yes we do.

NSW health had modelling predicting 560 cases in ICU by later October/early November - remember this was the midst of Delta with low vaccination numbers in October we were not even at 80% CovidJab2

That modelling was wrong by 100%
The actual number in ICU was half that.
Basically all the modelling we had was wrong - but only in one direction - all severely overestimated the severity.

Why did restrictions ease?. Because as vaccinations rose the numbers fell away,

Now cases have jumped - because we know that vaccinations do not prevent infections but rather minimise the severity.
Which again is borne out in the ICU numbers.

Additionally we also know from ABS that the % death rate from Covid in the 0-59 age group is 0.1%. Note that this encompasses a significant period of time when that age group was not vaccinated.

I mention this age group because this is the age group that is the majority of all the new cases - in fact the under 40s.

And the ones at risk of dying - the old and infirm - are nearly all 100% vaccinated and many are on to boosters,

NSW/VIC started the pandemic clock ticking. The other states do not have to restart the clock.

But the clock is ticking and has been for many months. The other states had the opportunity of time to vaccinate, learn from the NSW experience, develop capabilities, deploy resources.

But did they? If the other states did not develop the hospital infrastructure during the “lull” period, maybe tell the Premier go lock himself out of his Office and explain why.

 

[drron]

Did they have any symptoms? Close contact?

my niece works in a David Jones store and was pinged 2 days after testing as a possible contact in the mall. she developed symptoms first so probably passed it on to her mother.
Naturally the store was hectic in the last week before Christmas so all the contacts have had 6 days to pass it on.