Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[justinbrett]

Well what I got out of that interview was different to you.At one stage he says tghat is not to say that AZ is banned in younger age groups and people should talk to their GP.That advice is repeated later on.
You do like the retrospectoscope now.You are saying they underestimated the risk at that point in time which is not true unless you had a crystal ball.Since the number of cases expanded dramatically just after that interview they reassessed risk and gave the green light to more AZ use.

Again they are an advisory group not a policy making group.

The whole problem is they thought they could turn AZ on and off like a tap. It takes the best part of a year to vaccinate a population. I would think the fact just about every city had an outbreak by this point made a crystal ball unnecessary. You don’t need a crystal ball to know that covid is incredibly infectious.

The fact is they put conflicting comments in the media that was used against the government to further demonise AZ. That is a fact, you just have to see the way that interview was covered in the media afterwards including the QandA episode I covered earlier where the panel collectively talked an audience member out of getting AZ based on ATAGI comments amongst others.

There‘s plenty of other scholarly articles which reflect my point of view more articulately and I think history will not be kind to ATAGI with respect to this advice.

If you can’t provide clear messaging to the average public DON’T GIVE MEDIA INTERVIEWS!

 

[Seat0B]

PS - ivermectin made by one of biggest pharmaceutical multinationals MSD - who are also manufacturing Covid vaccines

I know right! The irony is spectacular.

 

[Spongbob]

I have a low tolerance for idiots.

There is a middle-aged lady who lives nearby who I have helped with IT issues occasionally. A few weeks ago we were both queueing for coffee at the local cafe when she mentioned she wasn't going to get vaccinated for reasons she couldn't really explain. I told her it is too late to put your seat belt on when you have just been thrown through the car window. She said the vaccine situation was different as she doesn't even own a car (what???).

So I told her next time she has an IT problem, find somebody else. I mean it.

She might have a point. Using a car is one of the most dangerous actives.

And, there is no research that wearing a seatbelt protects you from COVID.

 

[Seat0B]

Now really OT, I follow my great grandfathers and now grandmother's advice of prevention is better than cure and he lived to 105 and my grandmother and her twin sister are getting close to 103. IMO, all the Karen's, pressers, those worried about their followers should just bloody well shut up, and our elected Politicians stop passing the blame. Rant over.

I totally agree that prevention is better than cure. Cure is very important for those occasions that prevention fails. This is standard risk management treatment approach. First reduce the likelihood (vaccinate), then reduce the consequences (Treatments). And keep a few controls in place (masks, distancing). Not that hard really, is it. But for some people, like my friend, vaccination has become politicised, tainted by conspiracy, stoked by media and turned into an issue that need not have existed at all. It really stresses me, because I don’t know how it’s going to play out for our friendship. But I suspect it won’t play out well. Which makes me sad as she has been a great friend.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Again, you’d be amazed how quickly these people jab for policies like no jab no play including the affluent. It’s not about making it mandatory, you don’t need to. We see it every single day on the coal face.

You just make life annoying enough for those who choose not to get vaccinated by a series of ‘no problems but you can’t do x or won’t receive y, can’t go to z’ and most will fold. And remember it’s not just the Feds, states and businesses can do this too.

Well I'll ask my friends who have concerns about their extended family in a few weeks time and see how its going. But if reports are correct that NSW authorities will open up at 80% to everyone regardless of vaccination status then its all on business to make it annoying. (can't see State or feds doing anything else).

 

[Must...Fly!]

176 for Victoria

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433196844603953157

 

[henrus]

176 for Victoria

How is Melbourne still a green zone?

 

[jakeseven7]

Beach parties might not be on the allowable list at 70/80 %!

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Another beach party linked to case explosion

Police say there has been an explosion in Covid cases stemming from illegal beach parties in Sydney’s eastern suburbs — as they fine increasing numbers of people over the public health breaches.

Police set up a task force to investigate reports of multiple large gatherings in the beachside suburb of Maroubra.

One of the gatherings, an illegal party attended by up to 60 people, has been blamed for a cluster of 81 Covid-19 cases.

As part of police investigations into that party, officers discovered that a number of people had gathered at another party at Malabar Headland.

Sydney beach party linked to case explosion

New South Wales has recorded 1288 new Covid cases and seven deaths. But there’s been a slight easing of the rules for hot spot residents.

www.news.com.au

 

[jase05]

Melbourne will see over 1000 in the next couple of weeks but hopefully the effects of vaccination will be there to see

 

[MelMel]

The

Yes. She feels that the long term impacts of vaccination are not known and that she would rather risk COVID as a “healthy 60 year old” than take that risk. She says we should put more effort into treatments rather than making people get vaccinated. She is particularly concerned about mRNA vaccination. She is very influenced by the idea that vaccines are a Big Pharma Conspiracy and quotes a lot of alternative fact doctors and scientists.

And she also is very strong about “bodily sovereignty”.

I’m so surprised. We have been friends for 25 years and I would never have guessed this. Although she did refuse to have a whooping cough booster last year when a grandchild arrived. That was solved by lockdown preventing her travelling interstate to meet the little one until the baby had received its own 2, 4, 6 month shots.

I think we have the same friend I was recently speaking to a life long friend (we were born 4 weeks apart and our Mothers knew each other when they were pregnant with us). She is not anti Vax usually but is vehemently opposed to the Covid vaccine, she has gone down the rabbit hole of supposed side effects. She said she is more scared of the vaccine than Covid and the hospitals are covering up the real data on deaths from the vaccine. She has convinced her 79 year old Mum not to have it and says her husband will quit his job if he is forced the get it.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

176 for Victoria

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433196844603953157

yea thought it would be a jump today after the tone of his announcements yesterday, i'm not that bothered by cases, lets just hope the icu / death is better this year than last year on the assumption that the vacc'd coverage in VIC _Should_ have started with an emphasis on the elderly

 

[Must...Fly!]

She said she is more scared of the vaccine than Covid and the hospitals are covering up the real data on deaths from the vaccine. She has convinced her 79 year old Mum not to have it and says her husband will quit his job if he is forced the get it.

It's pretty unreal that these people exist. Just now I was thinking, with relatively uncontrolled spread the case load number would have to expect to increase to the 500-1000 mark within a fortnight in Victoria, though that is just a guess. For everyone that means an increased risk of contracting COVID - in fact I would back in at short odds that I get COVID before Christmas due to exposure at my workplace if nowhere else. I am young and fully vaccinated and yet still a small portion of my brain is preoccupied with a tiny bit of concern about it. Do these people just not understand the seriousness of the disease, or are happy to accept their fate?

I find it funny that many are just conspiracy nuts that think the government is in on it. Same people that can't manage to build and maintain essential services without making a huge mess of it every time and basically lie for a living are all in cahoots and no one has spoken out...

 

[33kft]

Melbourne will see over 1000 in the next couple of weeks but hopefully the effects of vaccination will be there to see

Time to end the asymmetry of vaccine distribution given there are a few horses in the outbreak race now. It's not going to help if one state is significantly advanced over others in vaccination.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Time to end the asymmetry of vaccine distribution given there are a few horses in the outbreak race now. It's not going to help if one state is significantly advanced over others in vaccination.

I am pretty sure the government said everything after the 500,000 bonus for NSW (from the Polish supply) is to be distributed per capita now. Certainly the "swap" deal with Singapore is going out on that basis.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Time to end the asymmetry of vaccine distribution given there are a few horses in the outbreak race now. It's not going to help if one state is significantly advanced over others in vaccination.

There were only two instances of asymmetry with Pfizer :
- Poland jabs about 300,000 more for NSW (with all 530,000 wholly given the W/SW Sydney critical workers)
- brought forward doses to NSW, Vic and Qld (because September had 2 "monthly deliveries")

There is still plenty of Astra Zeneca stock effectively at call.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Well the empirical measure of risk of transmission in Vic for me has been the protocols at my middle daughter's hospital who have had an excellent record throughout the pandemic, and who bring in heightened protocols as soon as they believe that the risk is there to make them necessary. They probably have the best record of all the major hospital's in Vic with respect minimising transmission into and in the workplace (unlike for example the hospital my niece is at, and another hospital where a close friend works).

A Covid Ward has not yet been stood up at her hospital, but that is probably only a matter of time now (they have had up to 6 at times) but they are now all back in n95s at work at all times now and this was her face at end of shift yesterday. While 100% in support of the need to wear them, she very much dislikes having to wear them all day due to the discomfort, and also the resultant damage to her skin that builds up from days on end from wearing them. Perhaps for months on end this time, which is something she has already experienced.



So I very much understand the discomfort and fatigue that some NSW Healthworkers will now have reached and who will continue to endure as they are sadly only part way through this journey. Plus "living with Covid" means that for some healthworkers that this will be a long-running, if not permanent state, of affairs. Which in turn will result in ongoing management issues to resource what is a difficult role.


And in the Yin and Yang that is quite typical of this pandemic while one daughter was mentally hunkering down for the next few months, the eldest daughter was on a personal Cloud 9 after yesterday having secured her dream position with a global role with a multi-national.

 

[Seat0B]

The

I think we have the same friend I was recently speaking to a life long friend (we were born 4 weeks apart and our Mothers knew each other when they were pregnant with us). She is not anti Vax usually but is vehemently opposed to the Covid vaccine, she has gone down the rabbit hole of supposed side effects. She said she is more scared of the vaccine than Covid and the hospitals are covering up the real data on deaths from the vaccine. She has convinced her 79 year old Mum not to have it and says her husband will quit his job if he is forced the get it.

They walk amongst us in plain sight. It’s such a shock when you see another side of someone that you thought you knew really well. I am really feeling grief over this.

 

[Rembrandt]

Melbourne will see over 1000 in the next couple of weeks but hopefully the effects of vaccination will be there to see

Sadly, there cases are going up not down. This is the delta strain and there is just too much movement of people in Melbourne and Victoria to make this go down. Far too many people are breaking the rules in minor ways and some big ways which is contributing to the spread. The only way to stop the spread is to have a much harsher lock-down, but alas you do that and it will come back in again thanks to our neighbours up north. So there is no point going harder for a couple of weeks.

Frankly, the only option is to do what the NSW and Vic governments are doing and that is waiting for a percentage of the population to be vaccinated. The problem they're not addressing is the bigger problems these lockdwons are causing, e.g. loss of income, debt and mental health.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Sadly, there cases are going up not down. This is the delta strain and there is just too much movement of people in Melbourne and Victoria to make this go down. Far too many people are breaking the rules in minor ways and some big ways which is contributing to the spread. The only way to stop the spread is to have a much harsher lock-down, but alas you do that and it will come back in again thanks to our neighbours up north. So there is no point going harder for a couple of weeks.

Frankly, the only option is to do what the NSW and Vic governments are doing and that is waiting for a percentage of the population to be vaccinated. The problem they're not addressing is the bigger problems these lockdwons are causing, e.g. loss of income, debt and mental health.

They are addressing it to the limit of their resources.......there is no bottomless pit, despite all the "assurances" given at press conferences. People will die from mental health issues, people will be homeless/bankrupt, people will die from covid.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I agree I think all levels of government are doing everything they can. I personally think the blame to the state up north/down south/left/right/above/below is moot - it was always going to be someone that had an uncontrollable outbreak that would spread across the country. It shouldn't be any shock that this occurred, it has happened in literally every country in the entire world. Including China!