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One is an attack? One is a support?

I think the situation in Victoria could have happened in any large city.

Hopefully it gets under control.

And very soon.
Not attacking - just a statement. Attacking would be if I said no one from Victoria should ever be allowed out of the state again :) The whole idea was that hot spots should be contained early before they had a chance to spread uncontrollably., I think NSW did a good job with both Bondi and the Western suburbs hot spots - Early action is so much more effective.

in my opinion (and it is easy to judge from an armchair), Vic waited way too long before taking action, so it’s much more draconian now.
 

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Its real easy for 99.9996% of the population to sit in judgement in the comfort of their armchairs fed misinformation, jaundiced and partisan opinions of those with dozens of competing demands (and committees and alleged "experts" who are interviewed and give polar opposite opinions) placed with the responsibility of making decisions with respect to issues not experienced at that magnitude in the country for over 100 years.

I don't envy those who are working day and night in wildly fudgy statistical driven decisions with an unpredictable, impatient, unforgiving population one iota.
 

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All true p'nt.. but upon such challenges are leaders forged …..
Leaders cut through, sometimes crash through , and the world follows..
The free world is crying out loudly for a leader in these difficult times
 

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I don't envy those who are working day and night in wildly fudgy statistical driven decisions with an unpredictable, impatient, unforgiving population one iota.
The Vic Government's efforts would to me seem to have in recent times mainly been undone by placing faith in people to do the right thing, but with some critical minorities deciding to not reward that faith. This undermined the hard work of the government and all the many health workers and the vast majority of the general public at large.

In particular:
  • The management of the security firms to do their jobs well. Instead they decided to milk the system and to subcontract out the work to others knowing full well that the subcontractors would also seek to to milk the system by not training and supervising their staff properly and to hire others who were content to turn a blind eye and ignore what was was by then pretty well common knowledge with request to physical distancing, and to avoid testing.
  • Whomever from the government who should have been auditing and supervising the security contracts, and seemingly did not.
  • The above two points allow a spike to emerge, and allowed it to grow.
  • A number of people who continued to mix despite knowing that they were either positive or meant to be isolating. This fuelled both the community spread that had not quite gone and the new emerging spike courtesy of the security guards
  • That with test being freely available that all those with symptoms would present. Sadly for various reasons a number chose not too including some hotel quarantine security guards.
The perfect storm for the current outbreak was to have these factors occurring at the same time as many rules were being relaxed, and in particular family gathering size.

With widespread and ample testing offered to all including those with no symptoms you would have thought that this would help to locate all, or virtually all of, the infected. But no another kick to the guts with the number of people who refuse to be tested. These refuseniks on top of the other recent human issues have also probably now caused the Vic Government to reflect on how much faith can be bestowed. So with the refusniks in came the suburb lockdowns.

With the apartment towers too came prudent speed to lock things down given the population density and high risk (to the people there) people living there, and that a cluster was emerging. To give people advance notice evidently deemed to risky.

However I personally do not think the BLM marches were a significant factor at all. Potentially yes they could have been, but I suspect that the wearing of masks by most in a outdoor setting probably helped enormously in it not actually being so.

I also think that another factor was with the other states, and indeed Vic too, all on the official stats approaching zero, or being at zero, that a little complacency crept in that it all was just going to happen, and was only a matter of time.

I do have faith that things will be turned around. It will not be easy, but I think that the Government will have a little bit more of a firmer edge from now on.
 

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All true p'nt.. but upon such challenges are leaders forged …..
Leaders cut through, sometimes crash through , and the world follows..
The free world is crying out loudly for a leader in these difficult times
About 3 decades ago a wise and very capable business leader told me that the measure of a good leader is not never making a mistake, but how they recovered from a mistake.

Dan's time to be measured is now.
 

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so we should be applauding a controlled outbreak,
Sure, I’ll applaud it when it’s controlled.

you can’t compare the current “infection” curve with the original one due to the massive difference in testing criteria.
Also because the original curve for Victoria included a large number of ‘brought in from overseas’ cases. The current curve is worse - all locally spread.
As I said, the general public is fairly vocally attacking the state of Victoria for this outbreak.
What’s your definition of ‘general public’? Your immediate contacts? The social media you follow? I’m hearing absolutely no “vocally attacking “ of the state of Victoria right now. None. Criticism, a bit. Concern on it’s possible affect on Tasmania, yes. “ vocally attacking”. No. And if some do, who cares? Wait till the footy finals.
 

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About 3 decades ago a wise and very capable business leader told me that the measure of a good leader is not never making a mistake, but how they recovered from a mistake.

Dan's time to be measured is now.
Life for many years as a project manager has taught me when being told everything seems to be going swimmingly, I have been lied to (cover-up) or I should expect an explosive rocket fairly soon.😨 (But if you react to that instinct all the time, no-one will want to work for you. 😂
 

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A number of people who continued to mix despite knowing that they were either positive
Putting aside politics (and perhaps laws) one fundamental flaw in the logic of dealing with those testing positive .... Some time ago it was concluded that a small percentage of people returning from overseas (who might have the virus) could not be trusted to self isolate on their return, so all were placed into hotel quarantine. Yet those who test positively locally (who do have the virus) are still trusted to self isolate. I assume it is legal or political constraints that means a higher level of trust is placed on this group, than those who've returned from overseas.
 

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About 3 decades ago a wise and very capable business leader told me that the measure of a good leader is not never making a mistake, but how they recovered from a mistake.

Dan's time to be measured is now.
Yes, Peter Beattie as premier of Qld made a virtue of it. Something few leaders master.
 

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Putting aside politics (and perhaps laws) one fundamental flaw in the logic of dealing with those testing positive .... Some time ago it was concluded that a small percentage of people returning from overseas (who might have the virus) could not be trusted to self isolate on their return, so all were placed into hotel quarantine. Yet those who test positively locally (who do have the virus) are still trusted to self isolate. I assume it is legal or political constraints that means a higher level of trust is placed on this group, than those who've returned from overseas.
Looking at it from a purely clinical perspective the reason for hotel quarantine is that the incidence of COVID-19 in this group is massive in comparison to the average Australian population. If you can prevent the spill into the general population then that’s what you would do from a public health perspective. It’s similar to locking down nursing homes / public housing commission etc. Keep the risk contained in a small area where you can manage it.
 

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Social media outlets attack everyone - it’s what they do and what the people on them enjoy doing. I have a friend who keeps on getting into fights on Facebook. I have told her it’s a pointless exercise as people don’t want to learn anything they just want to join a lynch mob.....
So agree, despite what some people think social media is no reflection of society as a whole. It's generally all the losers who we'd ignore in person who are the heavy posters attacking just about everything and I see know I reason we shouldn't also ignore on social media.
 

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Only a rumour, but ....

There was a reported rumour on radio 3AW this morning was that Victoria have recorded over 200 new cases in the last day.


The presenters did not want to know about it ...
 

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Only a rumour, but ....

There was a reported rumour on radio 3AW this morning was that Victoria have recorded over 200 new cases in the last day.


The presenters did not want to know about it ...
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 200-250 today. I’d imagine the test results from the residential towers will start filtering through and conservatively I’d think maybe 300 out of the 3000 residents will test positive but possibly more
 

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Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 200-250 today. I’d imagine the test results from the residential towers will start filtering through and conservatively I’d think maybe 300 out of the 3000 residents will test positive but possibly more
That would be high......considering that contact tracers have found that typically there are 10 close contacts per person (not sure whether including family) during the typical transmissible period.
 
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So agree, despite what some people think social media is no reflection of society as a whole. It's generally all the losers who we'd ignore in person who are the heavy posters attacking just about everything and I see know I reason we shouldn't also ignore on social media.
Of course this forum is social media as well, but we seem more civilised on here (or maybe the mods work hard to control our outbursts :) )
 

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That would be high......considering that contact tracers have found that typically there are 10 close contacts per person (not sure whether including family) during the typical transmissible period.
I think there were 20 odd positives already and these people are crammed in like sardines with communal laundry rooms and other areas. I’d guess there would be a fair bit of interaction between residents so you can definitely see how the towers were described as a “vertical cruise ship”
 
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Things could be a lot worse.Africa's lockdowns are deadly.
Even without lockdowns it’s really tough for Africa. We have had contact recently with two of our guides and a waitress from previous trips - one in Botswana, one Kenya and one in Tanzania - no-one travelling so no work for so many.
 

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