Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Spongbob]

With the rain and freezing temperatures, its more likley people will have illegal guests inside their home rather than meeting up at the park or beach. The virus spreads more readily indoors, and with windows closed there will be less fresh air and heaters/aircon will be circulating those aerosols more readily.

Any evidence for this assertion?

 

[clifford]

I am very surprised that my younger colleagues at work have been quite enthusiastic about the vaccine.

Why is that. Do you think that they (some of them) don't care about their personal welfare?

 

[nutwood]

H

Have to ask how does a 30something die at home...did they deteriorate that quickly?
Why not call an ambulance if your gravely unwell at home or/and at the point of close to death.

I have no issue with this, just don't understand how it's possibly, they must have other health issues, no?
Not suggesting it's fake or not covid by any stretch, just seems odd to me.

I recall getting the old fashioned "just the flu" a few years back. I lost five days and five kg's. My recollection of that week is really vague but I reckon if I'd been home alone and the grim reaper rocked up, I'd have welcomed him right on in. I couldn't have found a phone, let alone figured how to use it.
If Covid is worse than that, I want no part of it!

 

[Pushka]

I recall getting the old fashioned "just the flu" a few years back. I lost five days and five kg's. My recollection of that week is really vague but I reckon if I'd been home alone and the grim reaper rocked up, I'd have welcomed him right on in. I couldn't have found a phone, let alone figured how to use it.
If Covid is worse than that, I want no part of it!

Husband had serious flu maybe 20 years ago. I still remember he basically didn't move from the bed for a week and when he did he fainted and hit his head. Even though I didn't have a separate room to sleep in at the time, I didn't get it.

 

[clifford]

I recall getting the old fashioned "just the flu" a few years back. I lost five days and five kg's. My recollection of that week is really vague but I reckon if I'd been home alone and the grim reaper rocked up, I'd have welcomed him right on in. I couldn't have found a phone, let alone figured how to use it.
If Covid is worse than that, I want no part of it!

I got really bad flu a few years ago (twice in one year!) and was laid up for a couple of months. Got the first dose of someone seriously ill with it on a train at Crewe, UK.

After that, I vowed to get an annual flu jab and haven't been troubled with it since.

Now, Covid is something different again. Even if you're double jabbed, you WILL get it and hopefully will not die.

 

[Milboo]

With the rain and freezing temperatures, its more likley people will have illegal guests inside their home rather than meeting up at the park or beach. The virus spreads more readily indoors, and with windows closed there will be less fresh air and heaters/aircon will be circulating those aerosols more readily.

No one is going out in this weather! It’s blowing a gale outside and apparent temp is around 3 degrees. I had to duck out earlier and the roads were much quieter.

 

[Milboo]

H

Have to ask how does a 30something die at home...did they deteriorate that quickly?
Why not call an ambulance if your gravely unwell at home or/and at the point of close to death.

I have no issue with this, just don't understand how it's possibly, they must have other health issues, no?
Not suggesting it's fake or not covid by any stretch, just seems odd to me.

Previous information around why people are still dying at home (aside from suddenness of deterioration) is because people have not come forward as a positive case because it would result in their household also being tested and quarantined. Meaning not going out to work/ earn income.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

A new cluster in Lara. (Just to the NNE of Geelong. Effectively an outlying semi-rural suburb of.)

And if you do not have a Bunnings involved it is not a real cluster

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Though the good news is that these 6 cases were part of today's 50 cases, and are not extra cases in tomorrow's figures.

 

[kyle]

Why is that. Do you think that they (some of them) don't care about their personal welfare?

Surprised as in they acted so quickly. Some got their AZ last week. Think they're thinking more of getting out of lockdown rather than personal welfare.

 

[sinophile888]

I have kept an Excel file on all the data since early list year. I thought this graph was quite interesting.

 

[drron]

A great article from the Ethics Centre regarding the case of vaccines - should they be compulsory or conditional.

Vaccines: compulsory or conditional? - The Ethics Centre

One of the most significant ethical issues to confront our community in the current phase of the pandemic is the requirement of vaccination.

ethics.org.au

Stories of vaccine passports and 'no jab, no job' continue in the media, as the discussion wrestles with how to set the balance between public safety and personal liberty. We already have conditional "entry" to shops etc via varius State-based apps. I'm not sure that compulsory is the way to go, however there must be a middle ground somewhere (optional).

Another famous Australian ethicist who believes in compulsory vaccination.

Why Vaccination Should be Compulsory | by Peter Singer - Project Syndicate

Peter Singer points to seat-belt laws to show why governments are justified in requiring immunization during a pandemic.

www.project-syndicate.org

 

[jakeseven7]

Another famous Australian ethicist who believes in compulsory vaccination.

Why Vaccination Should be Compulsory | by Peter Singer - Project Syndicate

Peter Singer points to seat-belt laws to show why governments are justified in requiring immunization during a pandemic.

www.project-syndicate.org

Wow colour me blind two opposing ethicists

 

[Seat0B]

A great article from the Ethics Centre regarding the case of vaccines - should they be compulsory or conditional.

Vaccines: compulsory or conditional? - The Ethics Centre

One of the most significant ethical issues to confront our community in the current phase of the pandemic is the requirement of vaccination.

ethics.org.au

Stories of vaccine passports and 'no jab, no job' continue in the media, as the discussion wrestles with how to set the balance between public safety and personal liberty. We already have conditional "entry" to shops etc via varius State-based apps. I'm not sure that compulsory is the way to go, however there must be a middle ground somewhere (optional).

A very good read. Thanks for posting.

 

[Seat0B]

Another famous Australian ethicist who believes in compulsory vaccination.

Why Vaccination Should be Compulsory | by Peter Singer - Project Syndicate

Peter Singer points to seat-belt laws to show why governments are justified in requiring immunization during a pandemic.

www.project-syndicate.org

Also an interesting article. It’s so great to read well written, well constructed, thoughtful pieces instead of the rubbish being peddled by even quality news outlets, let alone those at the tackier end of the spectrum.
Thanks for posting.

 

[jakeseven7]

Families speak out over multiple COVID-19 outbreaks in New South Wales hospitals​

Twenty per cent of COVID-related deaths in NSW this year have occurred due to outbreaks in public hospitals, amid growing concerns of serious flaws in the state's hospital system.

Seventy-five people across NSW have died since the beginning of the Delta outbreak, according to the latest health department statistics. Sixteen of those people who died were patients who acquired COVID-19 during their hospitalisation.

Families speak out over COVID infections in NSW hospitals

Twenty per cent of COVID-19 related deaths in NSW this year have occurred due to outbreaks in public hospitals, leading to growing concerns of serious flaws in the state's hospital system.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Lynda2475]

No one is going out in this weather! It’s blowing a gale outside and apparent temp is around 3 degrees. I had to duck out earlier and the roads were much quieter.

No one sensible, but some people are out (well inside other peoples homes) where they shouldnt be.

Sixteen of those people who died were patients who acquired COVID-19 during their hospitalisation.

Who were all eligible for a vaccine for months, but werent vaccinated. There were hospital failings and there is room for improvement, but its also on the individual to minimise their own risk by getting jabbed when eligible.

 

[OATEK]

Families speak out over multilleCOVID-19 outbreaks in New South Wales hospitals​

Twenty per cent of COVID-related deaths in NSW this year have occurred due to outbreaks in public hospitals, amid growing concerns of serious flaws in the state's hospital system.

Seventy-five people across NSW have died since the beginning of the Delta outbreak, according to the latest health department statistics. Sixteen of those people who died were patients who acquired COVID-19 during their hospitalisation.

Families speak out over COVID infections in NSW hospitals

Twenty per cent of COVID-19 related deaths in NSW this year have occurred due to outbreaks in public hospitals, leading to growing concerns of serious flaws in the state's hospital system.

www.abc.net.au

My big issue with this type of story is the lack of comparison with similar experiences elsewhere (eg the UK NHS). So much of the focus of reporting since the latest Sydney outbreak is who to blame, the need to blame outranking everything else.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Rafael Epstein
@Raf_Epstein
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Today’s Vic Covid number is less than 50

Crucial feature will be iso ratio and mystery cases

 

[TonyHancock]

My big issue with this type of story is the lack of comparison with similar experiences elsewhere (eg the UK NHS). So much of the focus of reporting since the latest Sydney outbreak is who to blame, the need to blame outranking everything else.

This is an older article but in terms of the spread probably not far off being comparable. It was a big issue in the UK.

Up to 20% of hospital patients with Covid-19 caught it at hospital

 

[andye]

Hospitals are very dangerous places whether there is a pandemic on or not.