Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

I got really bad flu a few years ago (twice in one year!) and was laid up for a couple of months. Got the first dose of someone seriously ill with it on a train at Crewe, UK.

After that, I vowed to get an annual flu jab and haven't been troubled with it since.

Now, Covid is something different again. Even if you're double jabbed, you WILL get it and hopefully will not die.

Though some that have had the vaccine flu have got the flu and died.

Victorian man who died from flu had had a flu jab

But you still have one.

www.9news.com.au

 

[justinbrett]

I got really bad flu a few years ago (twice in one year!) and was laid up for a couple of months. Got the first dose of someone seriously ill with it on a train at Crewe, UK.

After that, I vowed to get an annual flu jab and haven't been troubled with it since.

Now, Covid is something different again. Even if you're double jabbed, you WILL get it and hopefully will not die.

Actually in that regard flu and covid jabs are the same. Flu jabs don’t necessarily stop you getting it, but it will reduce the chance and also minimise the severity. Just like covid jabs.

 

[kpc]

I had the flu vaccine as well this year....many years ago I got quite sick after the flu vaccine so stopped getting it....then one year I got the flu and was so sick that I didn't mind dying if it brought some relief. I then decided the flu vaccine side effects were nothing significant (but get it on Fridays so have WE to recover) so have got the flu vaccine yearly since. I assume no matter how bad the side effects from the Covid vaccine are, it will pale into insignificance compared to getting Covid.

 

[SydneySwan]

Last night on C9 news in Sydney it was stated that by this time in 2019 NSW Health had recorded over 81k flu cases. So far in 2021 the number was either 64 or 84!

So Covid prevention measures - masks, social distancing, etc. doing a great job in reducing flu cases.

 

[antycbr]

Last night on C9 news in Sydney it was stated that by this time in 2019 NSW Health had recorded over 81k flu cases. So far in 2021 the number was either 64 or 84!

So Covid prevention measures - masks, social distancing, etc. doing a great job in reducing flu cases.

Plus locking everyone in their houses during the peak winter flu season and shutting all venues where transmission is most likely.

We should do this every year in future, after all, it's the health advice right? /s

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Another famous Australian ethicist who believes in compulsory vaccination.

Why Vaccination Should be Compulsory | by Peter Singer - Project Syndicate

Peter Singer points to seat-belt laws to show why governments are justified in requiring immunization during a pandemic.

www.project-syndicate.org

There seems to be a flaw in the article in that seat belts are completely different to covid vaccines. Seatbelts are 'passive'. A vaccine is being injected into your body.

If seatbelts had turned out to be more dangerous than beneficial we'd be able to stop wearing them. You can't 'uninject' the vaccine.

I can only guess he's making a spurious argument so that the alternative proposal - ban those unvaccinated from selected events so it becomes 'their choice' - is automatically the appealing one.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Plus locking everyone in their houses during the peak winter flu season and shutting all venues where transmission is most likely.

We should do this every year in future, after all, it's the health advice right? /s

It just delays the season.
Look at this it shows the presentations for Bronchiolitis in kids 3rd graph down.

When everyone was staying at home, social distancing etc the normal winter peak never arrived. It came with a vengeance in summer though.
This is part of what the UK strategy is said to be for their “Freedom Day”. A recognition that they would have increases in Covid cases and subsequent hospitalizations but that the wave would be over before their winter flu season.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Rafael Epstein
@Raf_Epstein
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Today’s Vic Covid number is less than 50

Crucial feature will be iso ratio and mystery cases

Update. It’s 45 for Vic today.

Of the 45 local cases, 36 are linked to current outbreaks and 17 have been in quarantine throughout their infectious period. [2/2]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1430300139726409729

53,321 tests is the highest number of tests since 21st July. So most pleasing to see it up.

 

[nutwood]

There seems to be a flaw in the article in that seat belts are completely different to covid vaccines. Seatbelts are 'passive'. A vaccine is being injected into your body.

If seatbelts had turned out to be more dangerous than beneficial we'd be able to stop wearing them. You can't 'uninject' the vaccine.

I can only guess he's making a spurious argument so that the alternative proposal - ban those unvaccinated from selected events so it becomes 'their choice' - is automatically the appealing one.

Just to throw another spurious argument in. Way back in the eighties, I was a passenger in a truck when the driver decided to have a nap. Truck went off the road, collecting a few trees along the way. A 100mm branch came through the passenger side windscreen, through the passenger headrest and punched a hole right through into the back of the truck. Fortunately, I was curled up on the seat asleep. Had I been wearing a seat belt, I'd have been sitting upright. QED, seat belts can be fatal.

 

[SydneySwan]

Update. It’s 45 for Vic today.

I wonder how ACT cases look today. Could Vic drop under ACT? The ACT pressers give me little confidence and their lack of Covid experience may be counting against them.

 

[antycbr]

I wonder how ACT cases look today. Could Vic drop under ACT? The ACT pressers give me little confidence and their lack of Covid experience may be counting against them.

Their level of spread after locking down surprises me. I couldn't think of a more WFH enabled, risk averse, relatively homogenous both economically and socially, well educated and news aware population than the ACT.

 

[jakeseven7]

Their level of spread after locking down surprises me. I couldn't think of a more WFH enabled, risk averse, relatively homogenous both economically and socially, well educated and news aware population than the ACT.

Agree but certainly when I was there pre-NSW blow up, social distancing and basic virus etiquette was pretty minimal (as it was in most states that haven’t had to do much of it) so maybe it got a running start…

 

[jakeseven7]

I wonder what they will give back to fully vaccinated people. Perhaps more time outside? More mobility? Hair cut for fully vaccinated?

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NSW crisis meeting to decide easing of restrictions​

The NSW government is set to hold a crisis cabinet meeting today to decide which restrictions will ease now that the state has reached six million vaccinations.

NSW crisis meeting to decide new rules

For today’s latest Covid-19 updates, head to our NSW live blog.

www.news.com.au

 

[ketsuzei]

Their level of spread after locking down surprises me. I couldn't think of a more WFH enabled, risk averse, relatively homogenous both economically and socially, well educated and news aware population than the ACT.

I think it’s something like two new transmission sites since lockdown, one of which involved the most essential of essential workers in the disability system. Most of the case numbers are just detecting spread that has already occurred.

In any case, it’s not like the ACT or VIC will be opening up any time soon. We’re really just talking about degrees of lockdown until November.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

so maybe it got a running start…

Could easily be the case. Remember that when the first case in Melbourne tested positive from the housemovers that they estimate that there had already been over a hundred people infected.

So the first found case does not mean only one infected at that point in time. It may be one, a few, or a hundred who may have actually already be infected.

 

[antycbr]

I wonder what they will give back to fully vaccinated people. Perhaps more time outside? More mobility? Hair cut for fully vacviajted

——

NSW crisis meeting to decide easing of restrictions​

The NSW government is set to hold a crisis cabinet meeting today to decide which restrictions will ease now that the state has reached six million vaccinations.

NSW crisis meeting to decide new rules

For today’s latest Covid-19 updates, head to our NSW live blog.

www.news.com.au

Hair cuts are definitely in the mix, the biggest problems with this are that many salon staff/barbers have not been eligible for vaccination. For the ladies it's also exposure time (from my observation it appears the shortest ladies haircut is 3 hours and crosses into a social occasion). Perhaps between different stages they can wander the streets with their smock and foils.

 

[SydneySwan]

I wonder what they will give back to fully vaccinated people. Perhaps more time outside? More mobility? Hair cut for fully vacviajted

——

NSW crisis meeting to decide easing of restrictions​

The NSW government is set to hold a crisis cabinet meeting today to decide which restrictions will ease now that the state has reached six million vaccinations.

NSW crisis meeting to decide new rules

For today’s latest Covid-19 updates, head to our NSW live blog.

www.news.com.au

I have been lobbying my state member and the health minister for dental services to be reopened to the fully vaxxed.

 

[justinbrett]

Hair cuts are definitely in the mix, the biggest problems with this are that many salon staff/barbers have not been eligible for vaccination. For the ladies it's also exposure time (from my observation it appears the shortest ladies haircut is 3 hours and crosses into a social occasion). Perhaps between different stages they can wander the streets with their smock and foils.

Pretty sure if it goes ahead it will be cuts only (or a time limit)

There's quite a lot of older hairdressers & barbers, and they'll be opening at significantly reduced capacity, so probably not a problem to start and it will provide incentives for more to get vaccinated (which is the whole point)

In regional NSW before we joined the lockdown we could get haircuts but both the customer and the hairdresser had to wear a mask, so assume it will be the same (I actually got my haircut when I was in Brisbane a few weeks ago and was asked to take my mask off for the haircut).

 

[Lynda2475]

I have been lobbying my state member and the health

Some dentists are open and operating. The practice i go to is doing reduced hours, if you need a filling or root canal you can get one, but they arent taking new clients or doing hygenist appointments.

 

[somebol]

Their level of spread after locking down surprises me. I couldn't think of a more WFH enabled, risk averse, relatively homogenous both economically and socially, well educated and news aware population than the ACT.

compliance is the issue. lots of people out and about.