Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Amanad78]

Plus side: Brisbane is a much less densely populated city, sprawls, people move around far less, PT is not as well developed and is more outdoors with warmer temperatures.

Negatives: Social distancing and covid checkins etc woeful. Testing rates low. Qld Health is always a liability …

I think we will be ok personally.

There's another 3 schools impacted now, in addition to the original 2

 

[Simo]

Lockdown will probably be extended

 

[N860CR]

So we won't be having governments using public health orders in future for some spurious reason. They have to be justified within the framework, and are subject to review.

Even if we did have a Bill of Rights in Australia... not all rights are created equally. Someone's right to freedom wouldn't necessarily overrule someone else's right to safety.

You can’t honestly believe that. We’ve already seen governments overreaching and using, as an example, checkin data for police purposes. McGowen has already been talking up maintaining entry controls into WA. There is zero chance of governments totally winding back these new found powers.

I would argue the very opposite. A persons right to freedom trumps all, especially when considering the “safety” risk in this instance.

 

[Batterytraveller]

A person’s freedom stops right where it impinges on the freedom of others, that is how society works, why we have laws and why we cede absolute freedom for the benefits of living collectively.

Freedom is a negotiation.

 

[N860CR]

A person’s freedom stops right where it impinges on the freedom of others, that is how society works, why we have laws and why we cede absolute freedom for the benefits of living collectively.

Freedom is a negotiation.

Perhaps, but this is certainly not something worth giving it up for. If we sacrifice our freedoms for this particular virus, we’d have to seriously question why we’re not doing it for a lot more.

 

[Batterytraveller]

I agree with you, what we have done during the pandemic demonstrates what we can achieve, and where we fail, and we should apply these lessons to the other great existential threat we are fighting, climate change.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You can’t honestly believe that. We’ve already seen governments overreaching and using, as an example, checkin data for police purposes. McGowen has already been talking up maintaining entry controls into WA. There is zero chance of governments totally winding back these new found powers.

I would argue the very opposite. A persons right to freedom trumps all, especially when considering the “safety” risk in this instance.

There are checks and balances. For example when Victoria wanted to extend the state of emergency it needed to negotiate with the minor parties that hold the balance of power in the Legislative Council. So the power is not unchecked. People have taken the Cth and WA to court of their exercise of powers. In those instances the court found in favour of those governments, but it doesn't mean the court always will (there's 100 years of court cases to back that up).

 

[drron]

These are lessons all learnt one year ago in Victoria. It really does seem surprising that there isn’t more sharing of tactics to deal with such issues across jurisdictions.

Though NSW had set up liasions with several different communities in Sydney before Victoria learnt it's lesson.This was still happening at the time of the recent Sydney outbreak.To their credit ACA had a segment on this featuring local community leaders and the Migrant Resource centre who had been given extra resources at the beginning of the outbreak.Other media far too concerned with being negative.

 

[dajop]

Wasn't it Bill Shorten who said the most terrible part of the Vic lockdown was seeing the locking up of those communities by Police etc? Is that really the lesson to be learned?

The truth is you do not overcome the lived experience of many immigrant communities with some clever tactics, it will take decades.

What I was talking about was not the tower lockdowns. That was a specific response when they were bumbling through earlier in the outbreak.

Most of the immigrant communities and even non immigrant casual workers live in dispersed throughout the suburbs . Later in the outbreak they adopted two key things to tackle some of the issues:
- working closely with community leaders in those communities to get messages out and build trust and
- introduce payments for anyone who relied on casual work (and could not access sick leave) to isolate until test results were returned and if testing positive get paid to isolate then too. Primarily to prevent people going to work who might be or who were positive.

I would be surprised if NSW had not learnt these two important tactics from VIC.

 

[bcworld]

Qld: 9 new (linked) community cases.

Seems to be a lot of schools involved.

Low test numbers.

 

[N860CR]

I agree with you, what we have done during the pandemic demonstrates what we can achieve, and where we fail, and we should apply these lessons to the other great existential threat we are fighting, climate change.

Sadly, we tend to ignore the actual problems that will cause suffering in the future. Similar to the tens of millions expected to die of starvation due to covid related blockages of transport lines (ie: border closures)

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People have taken the Cth and WA to court of their exercise of powers. In those instances the court found in favour of those governments, but it doesn't mean the court always will (there's 100 years of court cases to back that up).

And again, we’re counting on courts (who are not overly separate to government).

Perhaps i’m a little more cynical, but given the massive overreach of power for what is, all in all, a small risk, I can’t see is returning to any form of normal ever again.

 

[Denali]

Today's Maskhole..... instead of wearing a mask to pick up bread and milk he ended up in Silverwater.

 

[Pushka]

11,000 tests in the beginnings of a lockdown in Qld is very low!

 

[Simo]

Today's Maskhole..... instead of wearing a mask to pick up bread and milk, he ended up in Silverwater.

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Good... It is not appropriate at anytime and they should put the full weight of the law on those people that commit those acts...

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11,000 tests in the beginnings of a lockdown in Qld is very low!

Yes but everyone was at Bunnings Woolworths and Dan Murphy's!!!!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421636946741190657

222 in hospital now

Eighty cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 35 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Twenty-six cases were infectious in the community, and the isolation status of 98 cases remains under investigation.​

So 61 infectious in the community, though upto another 98 may have been as well.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

0.272% positivity - probably a NSW record

 

[bcworld]

0.272% positivity - probably a NSW record

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421639360257036289

 

[SydneySwan]

0.272% positivity - probably a NSW record

Olympic qualifying?

 

[drron]

11,000 tests in the beginnings of a lockdown in Qld is very low!

On a population basis that would equate to 16500 tests in NSW.but NSW had 71000 more tests that day.QLDs achiilles heel.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Olympic qualifying?

Just a PB (Personal Best) - that's all Olympians are striving to perform on the world stage.