Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

dajop

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I for one am grateful to live in the free state of NSW.

Yes, as far as COVID policing goes, seems to relatively light touch for policing. NSW police have however garnered international attention in the last week or so for some other actions they've taken that weren't such a good look.
 

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I think we've seen enough heavy handed police in other states during this pandemic.

I for one am grateful to live in the free state of NSW.
So am I normally and I definitely appreciate Gladys trying to keep everything open as much as possible, but in my opinion sufficient people are NOT taking this seriously and we are running the risk of a lockdown at this rate.

Part of the problem is the demographic/culture of the eastern suburbs. My own commute via bus in the eastern suburbs shows poor mask usage on buses. Anecdotally from friends there’s still people wandering around Bondi Junction maskless and not checking in using the ServiceNSW app even though it’s a hotspot.

The NSW government mandates lots of things like masks and checkins and then they’re not enforced so one really wonders what the point is. There has to be some stick if people aren’t complying. We don’t need 100 percent but we need something higher than 50 percent too.

This weekend will be interesting but I expect a return to seated only service in bars is coming next.
 

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We don’t need 100 percent but we need something higher than 50 percent too

old saying mayhaps relevant.. familiarity breeds contempt..
 

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Like anything that is mandatory unless enforced it's not mandatory at all. I asked Woolworths staff what is the point of the security guard posted at the Bourke Street Surry Hills store if he doesn't enforce mask wearing, and the staff member could not have cared less about it.

Time for some actual enforcement, NSW Government. Lock down a few supermarkets with NSW Police and go person by person to check compliance with masks and checkins and you'll see actual compliance.

That sounds very draconian and is likely to put many people offside. Maybe there are more people than you think who is not overly worried about the virus or death, to themselves or others? 🤔
 

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So am I normally and I definitely appreciate Gladys trying to keep everything open as much as possible, but in my opinion sufficient people are NOT taking this seriously and we are running the risk of a lockdown at this rate.

Part of the problem is the demographic/culture of the eastern suburbs. My own commute via bus in the eastern suburbs shows poor mask usage on buses. Anecdotally from friends there’s still people wandering around Bondi Junction maskless and not checking in using the ServiceNSW app even though it’s a hotspot.

The NSW government mandates lots of things like masks and checkins and then they’re not enforced so one really wonders what the point is. There has to be some stick if people aren’t complying. We don’t need 100 percent but we need something higher than 50 percent too.

This weekend will be interesting but I expect a return to seated only service in bars is coming next.
Yeah I disagree with you. I think the vast majority of people do the right thing. I think Gladys and Kerry really bring the state along with them by treating us as adults and making common sense decisions.

We’ve seen how things have gone down in other states who have tried the heavy handed approach.

You may gain compliance by force in some areas if you try this but you lose it in others.
 

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That sounds very draconian and is likely to put many people offside. Maybe there are more people than you think who is not overly worried about the virus or death, to themselves or others? 🤔
Yep it’s draconian. The problem is that whether you personally believe in Covid or not, the governments both here in NSW and the rest of the country certainly do believe in Covid restrictions - and will impose restrictions of various forms on us. It’s already started with NZ bubble being paused.

Do we want another six odd months where we can’t leave NSW? There’s no job keeper any more so every time we close borders and impose restrictions people lose income and more businesses go to the wall.
 

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Yep it’s draconian. The problem is that whether you personally believe in Covid or not, the governments both here in NSW and the rest of the country certainly do believe in Covid restrictions - and will impose restrictions of various forms on us. It’s already started.

Do we want another six odd months where we can’t leave NSW? There’s no job keeper any more so every time we close borders and impose restrictions people lose income and more businesses go to the wall.
We (NSW) don’t close borders or have unnecessary restrictions. Our economy is just fine - it’s the states that rely on our tourism that suffer.

Case in point - why haven’t QLD and WA closed their border already?

This isn’t 2020. This is a whole new thing.
 

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Yep it’s draconian. The problem is that whether you personally believe in Covid or not, the governments both here in NSW and the rest of the country certainly do believe in Covid restrictions - and will impose restrictions of various forms on us. It’s already started with NZ bubble being paused.

Do we want another six odd months where we can’t leave NSW? There’s no job keeper any more so every time we close borders and impose restrictions people lose income and more businesses go to the wall.

No one wants to be stuck with borders. Perhaps look at it as a bit of civil disobedience in an attempt to force the governments' hands. I think many people can live with non-zero case numbers.
 

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Yeah I disagree with you. I think the vast majority of people do the right thing. I think Gladys and Kerry really bring the state along with them by treating us as adults and making common sense decisions.

We’ve seen how things have gone down in other states who have tried the heavy handed approach.

You may gain compliance by force in some areas if you try this but you lose it in others.
About a month or so ago, there were a handful of articles stating that NSW QR check in was down 25%. If I recall correctly that’s just raw figures which wouldn’t have accounted for the increase in activity as people start to get to covid normal.

So I’m not sure I follow how the vast majority do the right thing, unless one contends that the 25% lost was voluntary check in and the 75% was the mandatory component (ie for hospitality, etc sector)
 

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About a month or so ago, there were a handful of articles stating that NSW QR check in was down 25%. If I recall correctly that’s just raw figures which wouldn’t have accounted for the increase in activity as people start to get to covid normal.

So I’m not sure I follow how the vast majority do the right thing, unless one contends that the 25% lost was voluntary check in and the 75% was the mandatory component (ie for hospitality, etc sector)
Do you live in NSW? It’s freezing. People go out much less in the cold.
 
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There was a 25% reduction in NSW check ins between January and April...I'd hardly have thought the cold was an issue.
So middle of summer January when most people are on leave vs April when it actually was pretty cold and wet?

25% reduction sounds generous.
 

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Despite venue check-ins becoming part and parcel of Covid-normal life in Australia, complacency appears to have crept in. Data from Service NSW provided to Guardian Australia shows a decline of more than 16m in the number of check-ins between January and April, despite restrictions being in place in January due to Sydney’s northern beaches outbreak.

The 66m check-ins in January dropped to 54.4m in February, then down to 50.8m in March and 48.3m in April.

The drop came despite analysis of mobile location data from Roy Morgan suggesting that Sydney, along with other capital cities, reached pandemic highs for movement during the Easter school holidays in April, with Sydney recording 59% of the seven-day traffic it saw in the city pre-pandemic.


An example article of the NSW QR check in decline
 

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Despite what you may have read, most Sydneysiders don't take their kids to pubs to entertain them for the school holidays.
But they do in January which is entirely school holidays.
 
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