Aust govt removes outbound travel ban exemption for overseas residents

If they wanted to be fair those applying from outside Australia for an outward exemption should have exemptions to depart valid for 3 months after arriving in Australia, but I don't see anything to suggest that that's the case.

It'd be terrible to get an exemption to leave only to have it expire before you can get back to Australia and have to apply again and potentially have to reschedule a flight home to be confident of being allowed to leave again.
 
it's not uncommon for people to be denied again and again trying to leave Australia even with a statutory declaration.

This applies to Australian residents, right? Are there specific cases you can quote? I am surprised to hear this if the context is non residents returning to their home/job overseas.
 
Anyway it seems much ado about nothing - the revised guidelines for non-residents departing after 11 August have now been posted: Leaving Australia | COVID-19 and the border

It doesn't actually solve the issue at all o_O (assuming that any resident overseas, other than those on a holiday or working holiday, would be able to satisfy enough of the criteria)
Which is what I thought - couldn’t see why on earth they would stop people who have jobs and a life overseas from returning to it.

I assume there is some very particular set of circumstances that they are targeting and it just doesn’t apply to most people.

@Seat0B - can’t see any risk at all for your son, but maybe by now it’s just got all too much for him :(
 
This applies to Australian residents, right? Are there specific cases you can quote? I am surprised to hear this if the context is non residents returning to their home/job overseas.

That's correct. At the moment non-residents do not require an exemption, so the rejections so far are for Australian residents.

Given people are getting declined to leave the country when they want to go overseas to live with their partner (the rejection letters typically state that family unification is not a compelling reason to leave Australia), it is unclear whether non-residents will get a "free pass" so to speak.

As a data point, I got an exemption in May to fly to London to begin my studies in my first attempt, a fellow student lodged the exact same application this month and she got denied twice, only getting approved a third time after engaging a migration agent and heavy involvement from the school, so it is definitely getting harder to get an exemption to leave Australia.

Ultimately it depends on your risk tolerance, the change basically means that any Australians who fly home now risks getting stuck here.
 
That's correct. At the moment non-residents do not require an exemption, so the rejections so far are for Australian residents.

Given people are getting declined to leave the country when they want to go overseas to live with their partner (the rejection letters typically state that family unification is not a compelling reason to leave Australia), it is unclear whether non-residents will get a "free pass" so to speak.

As a data point, I got an exemption in May to fly to London to begin my studies in my first attempt, a fellow student lodged the exact same application this month and she got denied twice, only getting approved a third time after engaging a migration agent and heavy involvement from the school, so it is definitely getting harder to get an exemption to leave Australia.

Ultimately it depends on your risk tolerance, the change basically means that any Australians who fly home now risks getting stuck here.
I would be shocked if non residents didn’t get a free pass, because it’s not just about family unification it’s about returning to their life - usually their (physical) home, financial assets, job, and yes partner too. What earthly reason would australia have for detaining them on aussie soil?
 
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I would be shocked if non residents didn’t get a free pass, because it’s not just about family unification it’s about returning to their life - usually their (physical) home, financial assets, job, and yes partner too. What earthly reason would australia have for detaining them on aussie soil?

I posted the new rules on the previous page: Leaving Australia | COVID-19 and the border

They are pretty generous and easy to satisfy if you have an established life and home overseas.

Potentially they might not cover people on something like an extended gap year, or those on say 2-year working holidays if you have casual employment, or only worked for part of your stay and travelled the rest.

The reason for preventing departure is really that it might stop you coming in the first place and taking up a place in HQ.
 
Happy to see the rule clarification as a friend has been worried about her adult daughter returning to lodge a student visa for study at a UK uni.
 
I would be shocked if non residents didn’t get a free pass, because it’s not just about family unification it’s about returning to their life - usually their (physical) home, financial assets, job, and yes partner too. What earthly reason would australia have for detaining them on aussie soil?
To stop them coming back again, that's all.
 
@Seat0B - can’t see any risk at all for your son, but maybe by now it’s just got all too much for him :(
You are probably right @Flying mermaid - but yes it is all too much. The admin for anyone is ridiculous, but throwing in his work issues as well - getting leave, approval to WFH in quarantine, prof indemnity approval to do that given for specific dates and only those dates, need to fit I around court deadlines, PCR test etc etc etc before any usual travel issues like passport, money, cards, transport, house sitting etc. then add having to try to find new flights, pay a king’s ransom if a seat can be found and then re-do all of that above for new dates, when it is exactly 7 days until the original arrangements kick in.

Then, the new need for an exit permit.

You have assessed the likelihood of his being refused an exit permit as low or even very low. You may well be right, but it is unclear at this stage. Now, I teach risk management for a living and was actually an Australian member of the committee for ISO 31000 standard, and your risk assessment is right - up to a point ☺️. But let’s accept that you are right.

The gap in your assessment is that it looks like you haven’t factored in the consequences of the very low likelihood event (denied n exit permit) actually happening - which in his situation would be severe to catastrophic. He would lose his job, and be stuck here, with no visa right back to UAE, and all his financial assets, household, car, personal belongings etc stuck in the UAE. Not a user friendly jurisdiction in cases like this. Some things might just be forfeit to the government (eg bank deposits). Let’s not even start on why he thinks it’s a good idea to work there - basically it is about golden handcuffs and interesting work. The full risk assessment results in an assessed level of risk of “high”. People often overlook the consequences if an event does happen because they have assessed the likelihood of the event a being extremely low. We are seeing this human characteristic all around at the moment - how likely is it I will get COVID - not very likely- so no need to take the vaccine or avoid gatherings. it used to be how likely is it that I will have an illness/injury that will take me to hospital on my trip to the USA? Not very likely- I’m young and fit and healthy- so no need for travel insurance. We all know that in many or even most cases, that works out, but when it doesn’t the consequences are spectacular.

This is a problem for me personally. Knowing what I know, I can never just assess a risk on likelihood. Makes me conservative I guess, but it is so ingrained In my thinking. And apparently it has transferred to the Seat kids who always insure, have a Plan B and never need it, and weigh consequences in their decisions.

Plus, it’s not like anyone in our family is dying right now, although his grandparents re not in great shape. Isn’t it tragic that this has become the yardstick by which we decide whether a citizen can leave or enter their own country? Just shameful, in my view.

No, he needs to be here to do some banking admin that must be done in person (being identified - great use of his passport!) and to renew his ACT driving licence which also must be done in person this time as he took the on line option last time and now his photo and eye test are too old. He does not want to be stuck with just a UAE licence because that is not automatically recognised here. Nothing earth shattering, just the normal business of an adult citizen. Who should have the right to come and go as he please, as we all should.

All of which is why Seat Son has totally pulled the pin.

I understand that the position is different for your son, plus the luxury of a bit more time to see how things pan out, and I so genuinely hope he makes it and that none of your 4 worry points eventuate. It will feel like a success for me as well as for you if you get to see him 💗. I will just have to wait longer to see mine.

I hope you don’t feel personally criticised by my post. You have been a warm and sensible voice on the forum, and very kind to me. And because of that, I just wanted to explain why our views differ on the issue of the risks round the exit permit.
 
@Seat0B - too late I expect, but don't forget that SeatSon can effectively apply for the exit permit three months before his return (and prior to his departure for Oz), if that helps.
 
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You can apply for the outbound exemption before you leave for australia. So the risk there is potentially zero.

The good news is that a foreign driver licence is recognised by the ACT for six months for residents returning to the ACT permanently. For visitors, no need to get an ACT licence: Access Canberra
 
@Seat0B - too late I expect, but don't forget that SeatSon can effectively apply for the exit permit three months before his return (and prior to his departure for Oz), if that helps.
Yes thanks @louie-m - time is now the issue for him, with the work admin he needs to do just to get here and the fact that his flight was cancelled no new ones needed and also that he has to be back by end of Oct at the latest for court deadlines (he‘s a lawyer). Plus his departure was in 7 days - not enough time to turn the ppl ideation around before he leaves. (Added on edit for clarity).
it’s just all gone into the too hard basket for now. Next window of opportunity will be around June 2022. Let’s see what happens then.
 
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You can apply for the outbound exemption before you leave for australia. So the risk there is potentially zero.

The good news is that a foreign driver licence is recognised by the ACT for six months for residents returning to the ACT permanently. For visitors, no need to get an ACT licence: Access Canberra
Yes thanks, that’s correct. However, we have looked into it with Access Canberra, and if his licence is a UAE one, and he wants to get a new ACT one, he has to resit the driving test and road rules test and an English test - none of which he is keen to do!


read to bottom of page - UAE is not an accepted country or an “experienced driver” country, unfortunately.

Edited to add link
 
You are probably right @Flying mermaid - but yes it is all too much. The admin for anyone is ridiculous, but throwing in his work issues as well - getting leave, approval to WFH in quarantine, prof indemnity approval to do that given for specific dates and only those dates, need to fit I around court deadlines, PCR test etc etc etc before any usual travel issues like passport, money, cards, transport, house sitting etc. then add having to try to find new flights, pay a king’s ransom if a seat can be found and then re-do all of that above for new dates, when it is exactly 7 days until the original arrangements kick in.

Then, the new need for an exit permit.

You have assessed the likelihood of his being refused an exit permit as low or even very low. You may well be right, but it is unclear at this stage. Now, I teach risk management for a living and was actually an Australian member of the committee for ISO 31000 standard, and your risk assessment is right - up to a point ☺️. But let’s accept that you are right.

The gap in your assessment is that it looks like you haven’t factored in the consequences of the very low likelihood event (denied n exit permit) actually happening - which in his situation would be severe to catastrophic. He would lose his job, and be stuck here, with no visa right back to UAE, and all his financial assets, household, car, personal belongings etc stuck in the UAE. Not a user friendly jurisdiction in cases like this. Some things might just be forfeit to the government (eg bank deposits). Let’s not even start on why he thinks it’s a good idea to work there - basically it is about golden handcuffs and interesting work. The full risk assessment results in an assessed level of risk of “high”. People often overlook the consequences if an event does happen because they have assessed the likelihood of the event a being extremely low. We are seeing this human characteristic all around at the moment - how likely is it I will get COVID - not very likely- so no need to take the vaccine or avoid gatherings. it used to be how likely is it that I will have an illness/injury that will take me to hospital on my trip to the USA? Not very likely- I’m young and fit and healthy- so no need for travel insurance. We all know that in many or even most cases, that works out, but when it doesn’t the consequences are spectacular.

This is a problem for me personally. Knowing what I know, I can never just assess a risk on likelihood. Makes me conservative I guess, but it is so ingrained In my thinking. And apparently it has transferred to the Seat kids who always insure, have a Plan B and never need it, and weigh consequences in their decisions.

Plus, it’s not like anyone in our family is dying right now, although his grandparents re not in great shape. Isn’t it tragic that this has become the yardstick by which we decide whether a citizen can leave or enter their own country? Just shameful, in my view.

No, he needs to be here to do some banking admin that must be done in person (being identified - great use of his passport!) and to renew his ACT driving licence which also must be done in person this time as he took the on line option last time and now his photo and eye test are too old. He does not want to be stuck with just a UAE licence because that is not automatically recognised here. Nothing earth shattering, just the normal business of an adult citizen. Who should have the right to come and go as he please, as we all should.

All of which is why Seat Son has totally pulled the pin.

I understand that the position is different for your son, plus the luxury of a bit more time to see how things pan out, and I so genuinely hope he makes it and that none of your 4 worry points eventuate. It will feel like a success for me as well as for you if you get to see him 💗. I will just have to wait longer to see mine.

I hope you don’t feel personally criticised by my post. You have been a warm and sensible voice on the forum, and very kind to me. And because of that, I just wanted to explain why our views differ on the issue of the risks round the exit permit.
I totally understand and no I don’t feel criticised at all :). Just sad because we are in very similar circumstances with wanting to see our sons again and have them meet our new grandchildren. Our little Bub seems to feel Master FM is a photo on the wall, as if I say we are going to talk to him, she goes and sits underneath it.

I just hope that by Christmas or very early next year things will change and it will no longer feel a luxury and a privilege to be able to see our sons!
 
That's correct. At the moment non-residents do not require an exemption, so the rejections so far are for Australian residents.
Yes that makes sense.
To stop them coming back again, that's all.
That too makes sense to an extent. I assume there must be a few Australian non-residents coming back for a 'trip' (whatever the reason) which may be considered taking up valuable slots for those who are wanting to permanently return to oz or experiencing genuine hardship o/s and need to urgently return.

Fresh data released by the Australian Border Force shows 13,762 Australians and permanent residents entered Australia on more than one occasion between March 20, 2020, and April 20, 2021. (AFR June 30 2021)

~265 pax/week on average flew in and out twice? This is significant, but...

Mr Miles also seized on Australian Bureau of Statistics arrivals data, which showed 20,000 foreigners entered Australia in May on either permanent or temporary visas, including 2400 United Kingdom passport holders, 1900 Chinese passport holders, 1400 from India and 1100 from the US. (AFR June 30 2021)

Perhaps we should consider limiting travel into oz strictly for Australians or PR to reduce border pressures?

 
Perhaps we should consider limiting travel into oz strictly for Australians or PR to reduce border pressures?
We have some pretty serious skills issues in this country due to limited immigration movement. These issues are not going away any time soon.

Even internally states are now bidding against each other effectively for the skilled workers in demand. It is ludicrous and will only cost the country in the long term.

EG


 
I totally understand and no I don’t feel criticised at all :). Just sad because we are in very similar circumstances with wanting to see our sons again and have them meet our new grandchildren. Our little Bub seems to feel Master FM is a photo on the wall, as if I say we are going to talk to him, she goes and sits underneath it.

I just hope that by Christmas or very early next year things will change and it will no longer feel a luxury and a privilege to be able to see our sons!
Mother FB (who I just wrapped up a Skype call with) would say the same!
 
Cross posting. Heard today that a friend has been granted an exemption to go visit fiancee in Asia. I'm very surprised. He intends to return. Has a house and business here in Oz. Maybe quietly things are getting better.
 
Cross posting. Heard today that a friend has been granted an exemption to go visit fiancee in Asia. I'm very surprised. He intends to return. Has a house and business here in Oz. Maybe quietly things are getting better.
How long, though?
 
How long, though?
Haven't checked exactly with him yet but he can't leave his business for 3 months. But even then, that 3 months had a rider on it 'for significant reason' or similar so they even threw the 3 months under the bus.
 

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