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Hey JB, Was just watching a video of a morning LHR arrival of yours, the AutoLand one from about 2 months ago. I noticed as you were coming in, the lights on the ground that track you in were not flashing progressively towards the runway as I have often seen before. (I hope i've explained that correctly)
I was wondering why this was, or in what circumstances to they behave in that manner etc?
 
Hey JB, Was just watching a video of a morning LHR arrival of yours, the AutoLand one from about 2 months ago. I noticed as you were coming in, the lights on the ground that track you in were not flashing progressively towards the runway as I have often seen before. (I hope i've explained that correctly)
I was wondering why this was, or in what circumstances to they behave in that manner etc?

High intensity lights are normal, but I can't think off all that many strobes (Melbourne 34, and the old HK IGS). There are a number of different lighting systems in use around the world. This wikipedia article will give you some info Approach lighting system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps surprisingly, too much light can be a real problem in low vis operations. In rain and fog, you get a lot of glare, and it can make it very hard to judge just what you're seeing. For that reason, in low vis operations, we'll normally keep the aircraft lights turned off. If you listen in to ATC radio, you'll occasionally hear a crew asking for the lights to be increased or decreased by a stage...that refers to their brightness settings.

That particular video was filmed in good conditions, so none of the 'low vis' ground procedures were in force. In particular, if doing an autoland in better than Cat II conditions, you need to be aware that ATC will allow departures to occur reasonably close in front of you. Those aircraft will affect the ILS beam, so it's quite possible that it could destabilise the approach. It shouldn't be an issue..if the autoland isn't working correctly, just disconnect it, and fly the landing yourself. I suspect this was what caught out the Singair 777 that ran off the edge of the runway in Munich last year.
 
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JB, the next time that you video your flight deck activities, any chance of getting some shots of ECAM in action, how it responds to alarms or alerts and how you use it to track or monitor statuses during check list completion?

Thanks.
 
JB, the next time that you video your flight deck activities, any chance of getting some shots of ECAM in action, how it responds to alarms or alerts and how you use it to track or monitor statuses during check list completion?
Jeez, we don't get that many ECAMs. It would mostly be filming nothing.

Actually, I'm not sure I can think of a way of securing the camera in a position where it can see the screens, and yet be out of the way. The aircraft windows have proven to be the best mounting spots.

I've got a position in mind that I can try when I next do a two man operation...and it should offer an S/O's eye view.
 
How often do you do two man operations? or what criteria is different for 2 vs 3

Also what are the practical differences in skills between captain, FO, SO you have mentioned that captains have substantial command training and experience. But are there flying things that one or the others can’t do? In the discussed scenarios of air crew getting sick or incapacitated could an SO land for instance?
 
How often do you do two man operations? or what criteria is different for 2 vs 3
Quite rarely so far, but if the rumour machine is correct, then that may be increasing soon. There hasn't been the need for two man crew ops...after all, how often do we fly it for an hour or two. But, they come up every now and then. Most are just ferries between Melbourne and Sydney, but the last one I did was between Auckland and Sydney. Preflight takes a bit longer (as you can't share it out as much) but the operation is quite normal.

All of the sim training is based upon two man ops.

Also what are the practical differences in skills between captain, FO, SO you have mentioned that captains have substantial command training and experience. But are there flying things that one or the others can’t do? In the discussed scenarios of air crew getting sick or incapacitated could an SO land for instance?

Captains train and fly to the aircraft limits. FOs train to them, but don't fly to them in normal operations. Low vis operations are seat specific. Only the Captains do autolands...that probably sounds easy, but it's all about the autoland going wrong, not right. SOs don't practice any of the odd (multi engine out) landings (as far as I know...I don't see their sims). I'm sure they could get it on the ground in one piece, but I wouldn't make any promises about the quality of the landing. (Though, come to think of it, I don't make any about my landings either.) I think they train to the limits that the FOs fly to.
 
Just watched the movie "Flight" starring Denzel Washington.
Firstly is it possible to recover a plane like his character did?
Secondly, have pilots been through a simulation of the film's events or something similar?
 
Jeez, we don't get that many ECAMs. It would mostly be filming nothing.

Oh, OK.

I was hoping to see how error messages or alarms were displayed and how you react to them, acknowledge, reset, etc.

I'm probably more interested to see how checklists are performed under the ECAM, if that's what happens and how criteria is met, acknowledged, etc when specific operations have to be done, such as what does it look for before you can start an engine, what it monitors during a specific phase, such as takeoff, landing, or coming off of the cruise phase and how all the criteria is "checked off".


Actually, I'm not sure I can think of a way of securing the camera in a position where it can see the screens, and yet be out of the way. The aircraft windows have proven to be the best mounting spots.

Do you use one of those suction cup devices? A mate has a Go Pro on his bike's fairing. He said that it's good for 180 km/h. Me, I'd have to secure it with a lanyard regardless of the speed.

I've got a position in mind that I can try when I next do a two man operation...and it should offer an S/O's eye view.

If it can be done I'd appreciate it.
 
Oh, OK.

I was hoping to see how error messages or alarms were displayed and how you react to them, acknowledge, reset, etc.

I'm probably more interested to see how checklists are performed under the ECAM, if that's what happens and how criteria is met, acknowledged, etc when specific operations have to be done, such as what does it look for before you can start an engine, what it monitors during a specific phase, such as takeoff, landing, or coming off of the cruise phase and how all the criteria is "checked off".

That's a fairly complex wish list. For instance, during engine start, the system just does its thing in the background, while the display shows the engine parameters. It won't show anything but that unless there is malfunction...and even then, without further input it will abort the start, dry cycle the engine(s), and then try again. At other times, when working through a procedure, it will offer a tick box [] for us to tick off, and/or items will change colour as actioned or as the system itself detects their switch position. In most cases the procedures are fairly simple (even a shutdown and restart doesn't take up many lines), but it can become very complex when multiple things happen at once (for instance a simultaneous double engine failure).

ECAM discipline is something that the training people are forever trying to bash into us. Whilst it might seem simple to just work your way through an electronic list, there are constant competing demands being placed upon your attention by the aircraft. The ECAM itself can confuse, when, for instance, procedures you're half way through suddenly disappear, or something else is detected, and it plonks itself to to top of the list. Initial thinking was always to work through from the top, and to complete everything before moving on, but common sense has now prevailed, and it's accepted that there are times when the computers are simply idiots, and you need to look through a procedure. Nevertheless, the aim is always to complete everything listed by ECAM.


Do you use one of those suction cup devices? A mate has a Go Pro on his bike's fairing. He said that it's good for 180 km/h. Me, I'd have to secure it with a lanyard regardless of the speed.
Apparently they'll hang on to the skin of a light aircraft at well above that. I've tried it on a car to a reasonable speed.
 
Actually, I'm not sure I can think of a way of securing the camera in a position where it can see the screens, and yet be out of the way. The aircraft windows have proven to be the best mounting spots.

I've got a position in mind that I can try when I next do a two man operation...and it should offer an S/O's eye view.

How about wearing a crash helmet and then we could enjoy helmet cam? :D
 
Have you seen the movie 'Flight' with Denzel Washington? I saw it last night. Is a landing like that even possible?!
 
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Just watched the movie "Flight" starring Denzel Washington.
Firstly is it possible to recover a plane like his character did?

The scenario they used is similar, but not identical, to the Alaskan Airlines aircraft that crashed off LA. I had cause to read that accident report a couple of weeks ago, and it was irrecoverable once the screw jack lost it's threads. But, in the movie, they modify things a bit, so that the cause is related to the elevator, not the trimming tail...that might have made it somewhat more recoverable, as the elevator has a lot less authority than the entire tailplane.

Rolling the aircraft makes sense. If it's pitching down and you can't stop it, then it may be the only way of getting the nose back above the horizon. Flaps generally give a pitch up response, so that would be helpful. Gear used as a speed brake makes lots of sense (and can be used that way in normal ops). Pulling the engine fire handles will shut the engines down, so you might be better off living with the fire warning.

I guess the upshot is that if you can get the sink rate to something reasonable, and the wings the right way up, at the same time you run out of altitude, then you might get away with it. I might win lotto next week too. On the other hand, you never give up...it just might be your turn to be lucky.

As an aside, a squadron CO that I once worked for, was shot down in Vietnam. The UH1 lost a pitch link in the rotor, and was basically just falling out of the sky. It was pitching from about -45 to -135 degrees nose down. You'd have to say they were dead...but just before reaching the ground, it reached that 45 degree nose low position, and he pulled in full collective. It reared up, rolled over and hit tail first at relatively low vertical speed. Everyone survived.

Secondly, have pilots been through a simulation of the film's events or something similar?

What would be the point? It's not likely to be something you can recover from, so all you'd be doing is practising how to crash. Jammed controls, unusual attitudes, etc are regularly practiced, but building compound emergencies that end in smoking holes won't teach much.

I tried to watch the movie, and managed the accident scene, but most of the rest left me pretty cold. I'm not too sure about the 'wake up' sniff of coke...perhaps that's an American thing. Having him wander out to the aircraft, when loading is well under way, and meet the FO for the first time is just strange...haven't they heard of briefing rooms? It lost me though when he took off in the storm, manually flew it, and oversped the aircraft...at that point I figured it was a drug induced dream.
 
How about wearing a crash helmet and then we could enjoy helmet cam? :D

I've still got my military 'bone dome'...but I rather suspect the FOs would have me locked up if I tried to go flying in it nowadays. It's one thing having them think you're a goose, but there's no point in proving it.
 
Hi JB looking forward to meeting you on QF9 tomorrow I will be in 3K

In the words of a little girl famous for her letter to the pilot Dont F Up the Landing LOL :D
 
Hi JB looking forward to meeting you on QF9 tomorrow I will be in 3K

In the words of a little girl famous for her letter to the pilot Dont F Up the Landing LOL :D

I'll see you there. Won't be me doing the landing...I alternate which sectors I give away, and for this trip I'm planning on giving the FO the first and last.
 
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