All Qantaslink flights to depart SYD T3 from August 15th 2013

[mannej]

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I, for one, will be happy to not have to share my lounge with so many LCC-flyers when I have to fly out to regional clients.

I didn't know it was your lounge!

 

[userlame]

I didn't know it was your lounge!

If I have a Qantas ticket, and a Qantas Frequent Flyer card, the Qantas Club is my lounge.

If you have a Jetstar ticket, go find the Jetstar lounge. I promise to stay out of that one.

 

[Foreigner]

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Qantas link flights will soon be boarding from Gate 1 in T3 with buses to the hardstand parks near the hangers, meaning T2 will no longer have any Qantas flights, not certain if the T2 QP will remain, I expect not.

Best news from Qantas so far this year.

 

[Princess Fiona]

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If I have a Qantas ticket, and a Qantas Frequent Flyer card, the Qantas Club is my lounge.

If you have a Jetstar ticket, go find the Jetstar lounge. I promise to stay out of that one.

According to the T&C's if a passenger has a JQ ticket and either of Qantas Club membership or QFF status of Gold or above then they are entitled to use the Qantas Club.
There is no JQ Lounge to stay out of.

 

[RB]

I, for one, will be happy to not have to share my lounge with so many LCC-flyers when I have to fly out to regional clients.

Perhaps you can outline the traits that the LCC fliers display? Sorry but this sort of attitude is wearing very thin!-Perhaps some people need to look back at old posts on this site & discover what the true nature of the site once was.

 

[mannej]

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If I have a Qantas ticket, and a Qantas Frequent Flyer card, the Qantas Club is my lounge.

If you have a Jetstar ticket, go find the Jetstar lounge. I promise to stay out of that one.

It is funny that you are wrong on that one, as QP access is granted to eligible customers flying QF or JQ!

 

[userlame]

I'll admit to stirring the pot a little on this one, but what I don't understand is how someone paying for a cheaper ticket with a LCC still gets to take up a seat in the lounge. Am I subsidising here with my full QF fare?

Do you think that Virgin will allow it's FF members access to the lounge on a Tiger ticket?

 

[anat0l]

I'll admit to stirring the pot a little on this one, but what I don't understand is how someone paying for a cheaper ticket with a LCC still gets to take up a seat in the lounge. Am I subsidising here with my full QF fare?

Oh well, it's been like that for ages. And frankly, with many flights being moved from QF to JQ, the least that could be done for Qantas elites is that they still have access to the lounges.

There in lies the key too. Not every JQ-flying Tom, Dick and Harry has access. The only way a non-status passenger can access a Qantas lounge (apart from guesting) is to buy a Business Class ticket. There's no Business Class on domestic JQ (except for those that leave from international terminals). A oneworld elite (Sapphire, Emerald) that is not a Qantas elite and is flying on JQ also has no access to the lounges. So any person in a lounge who is flying JQ must be a frequent flyer of the Qantas Group, just like you. If they fly mainly JQ to get that status, then God save them - how much JQ (at the Starter Plus or higher fare) did they have to endure to get that same status.

Do you think that Virgin will allow it's FF members access to the lounge on a Tiger ticket?

We'll have to wait and see on that one.



In general, this will simplify the whole situation with QF. But those lounges are going to have to get bigger, and there's no room left (without constructing floor space above check-in). There's also no gate space left, so if QF are thinking of upping the SYD domestic capacity, they either need larger aircraft or use more remote stands, because there are no more gates left.

 

[Hvr]

I'll admit to stirring the pot a little on this one, but what I don't understand is how someone paying for a cheaper ticket with a LCC still gets to take up a seat in the lounge. Am I subsidising here with my full QF fare? <snip>

Sometimes those on LCCs are paying more than you by the time all the extras are included.

 

[serfty]

If I have a Qantas ticket, and a Qantas Frequent Flyer card, the Qantas Club is my lounge.

If you have a Jetstar ticket, go find the Jetstar lounge. I promise to stay out of that one.

FWIW, at the Genesis of Jestar - there was no QP access for QP/SG/WP before a JQ flight.

That obviouslycost QF too much revenue as this was changed soon enough.

Don't worry, after they shut down the T2 lounge (as I reckon will happen), you can wave to the JQ PAX as they depart the T3 lounges 40 minutes before their flight ...

 

[mannej]

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I'll admit to stirring the pot a little on this one, but what I don't understand is how someone paying for a cheaper ticket with a LCC still gets to take up a seat in the lounge. Am I subsidising here with my full QF fare?

Do you think that Virgin will allow it's FF members access to the lounge on a Tiger ticket?

LCC's aren't always cheaper, and chances are to be in the lounge in the first place there is every chance they have 700 + SC's or paid an inflated amount for QP access, hardly once a year flyers in most cases.

Heck some people don't have a choice but to fly JQ.

 

[userlame]

Check Sydney-Melbourne on Tuesday 12th for both airlines. Jetstar's most expensive fare is cheaper than Qantas' cheapest (own metal) flight. The average difference is $70 (which is around half the fare). Are there really $70 worth of add-ons?

Maybe I'm the sucker for paying full price.

 

[Fruitcake]

Are there really $70 worth of add-ons?

Well... to make the products roughly comparable you need to add a plus bundle ($19), 25kg of baggage ($25) and ~$15 for a beer and a something from the snack menu. Which gets you to $59. Not quite $70 but not too far off either.

Arguably 20kg of baggage could be substituted for an $8 saving but the base QF fare includes 23kg, so I 'rounded up' to 25kg.

 

[fjc]

I hate getting on and off the buses -walk down stairs carrying luggage, crowd onto the bus (again carrying luggage), then off the bus, stand in a line (often in bad weather) and up the steps, then reversal for arriving into SYD.

Oh well, we're regional so who worries about us. Typical group think of all city siders.


End of whinge.

 

[ajw373]

I hate getting on and off the buses -walk down stairs carrying luggage, crowd onto the bus (again carrying luggage), then off the bus, stand in a line (often in bad weather) and up the steps, then reversal for arriving into SYD.

Oh well, we're regional so who worries about us. Typical group think of all city siders.


End of whinge.

So what do you wan't? A jet flying 2/3rds empty just so that it can pull up at a bridge equipped gate. Now before you go me for not understanding just remember I come from Canberra where Dash-8's/Q400's are the most common a/c CBR-SYD and elsewhere. Though guess we are 'lucky' in that Canberra flights in Sydney park near the gate so no bus.

 

[mannej]

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Check Sydney-Melbourne on Tuesday 12th for both airlines. Jetstar's most expensive fare is cheaper than Qantas' cheapest (own metal) flight. The average difference is $70 (which is around half the fare). Are there really $70 worth of add-ons?

Maybe I'm the sucker for paying full price.

One random example doesn't prove that JQ is cheaper than QF - there have been plenty of examples shown on here where the opposite is true.

 

[fjc]

Hmmm - "jet flying 2/3rd empty"? Well, I regularly fly SYD to DBO, CFS, TMW and ARM and those flights generally close to full all the time - certainly not 2/3 empty. But then, I wouldn't regard CBR as "regional".


One advantage already mentioned is that all QF domestic flights will be in the same terminal. Can't remember how many times I've argued with someone that QF Link is ex T2, not T3. Trying to tell obstinate business people who "know it all" can be amusing sometimes. Also, a number of times I've been left standing in the T2 collection area and someone calls me saying "You're not here".

 

[anat0l]

I hate getting on and off the buses -walk down stairs carrying luggage, crowd onto the bus (again carrying luggage), then off the bus, stand in a line (often in bad weather) and up the steps, then reversal for arriving into SYD.

Oh well, we're regional so who worries about us. Typical group think of all city siders.


End of whinge.

Not entirely different to having to walk down from the terminal building (on stairs) and march out onto the tarmac. In fact, if I recall correctly, some of the regional (turboprop) flights were still bus-loaded even before this change.

From the bus to the foot of the steps, that should be quite a short distance. It's not like you're being sent on a death march.

I generally don't see what's wrong with the bus scheme unless your idea of boarding is only to walk to the aircraft. In which case, be my guest.

Hmmm - "jet flying 2/3rd empty"? Well, I regularly fly SYD to DBO, CFS, TMW and ARM and those flights generally close to full all the time - certainly not 2/3 empty. But then, I wouldn't regard CBR as "regional".

I believe what was referred to as a "jet" means using something like a 737, which accommodates between 150 - 170 people compared to the largest turboprop (Q400) which only accommodates 72 people. Jets can obviously use the jetbridges.


I've seen terminals where jetbridges have been used to connect to regional aircraft (like Dash 8s), but I personally think it's a waste of resources. A jetbridge configured down to the lowest level, then a lightly covered walkway to the steps of the turboprop. If it's raining or snowing, you're still going to get wet. And those jetbridges were specially lowered for those aircraft - they aren't usually changed back to usual height for other aircraft (let alone they would have to remove the special covered walkway). Might as well be bussed to the foot of the aircraft, or if a short distance, march across the tarmac.

 

[ajw373]

Hmmm - "jet flying 2/3rd empty"? Well, I regularly fly SYD to DBO, CFS, TMW and ARM and those flights generally close to full all the time - certainly not 2/3 empty. But then, I wouldn't regard CBR as "regional".

That actually not what I was saying. What I was saying is to get bridge access you need a jet. So Q300 100% full =50 people which is 1/3 of a 737. Now whilst Canberra may no be regional, from an aircraft perspective they fly the same Dash-8 aircraft so issue the same

One advantage already mentioned is that all QF domestic flights will be in the same terminal. Can't remember how many times I've argued with someone that QF Link is ex T2, not T3. Trying to tell obstinate business people who "know it all" can be amusing sometimes. Also, a number of times I've been left standing in the T2 collection area and someone calls me saying "You're not here".

QF link also operated out of T3 (but only Canberra flights) so they are not wrong, but yes the bulk do operate out of T2 and yes it makes sense for them to all operate out of the same terminal. But to do that they need to use remote stands and bus, which gets back to your orginal whinge (as you so put it)

 

[ajw373]

I believe what was referred to as a "jet" means using something like a 737, which accommodates between 150 - 170 people compared to the largest turboprop (Q400) which only accommodates 72 people. Jets can obviously use the jetbridges.

Yes that is what I was getting at.

I've seen terminals where jetbridges have been used to connect to regional aircraft (like Dash 8s), but I personally think it's a waste of resources. A jetbridge configured down to the lowest level, then a lightly covered walkway to the steps of the turboprop. If it's raining or snowing, you're still going to get wet. And those jetbridges were specially lowered for those aircraft - they aren't usually changed back to usual height for other aircraft (let alone they would have to remove the special covered walkway). Might as well be bussed to the foot of the aircraft, or if a short distance, march across the tarmac.

That's what Sydney has at gate 17 for the Canberra flights, and your right it just stays like that.