Air New Zealand [Diverted to MEL, Self paid to SYD - reimbursement?]

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Yes, the MEL AirNZ staff are contractors. Most don't even wear the AirNZ uniform at the checkin counters (from memory they are Volga Dnepr or the like...)

In BNE NZ use Toll but their checkin staff do wear the green NZ uniform with the navy pattern so it's like a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Toll also have a generic uniform they wear for checking in smaller airlines which has a green, blue & white pattern.
 
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What a lot of condescending replies in this thread to the OP. NZ clearly should have handled this better, with effective communication to affected passengers, regardless if they contract out their staff in MEL or not. Having pax hanging around waiting for an excessive period of time - with no clear communication what is going on and when they can expect some further information - isnt acceptable.

I would have done exactly what the OP did - give the airline a chance to fix the situation, they blew it so I'll make my own way at their expense. Diversions are a fact of the airline business, NZ should be prepared.

Not sure if Australia has a cheap small claims court system, in the UK we do and it works wonders when BA are being difficult.
 
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What a lot of condescending replies in this thread to the OP. NZ clearly should have handled this better, with effective communication to affected passengers, regardless if they contract out their staff in MEL or not. Having pax hanging around waiting for an excessive period of time - with no clear communication what is going on and when they can expect some further information - isnt acceptable.

I would have done exactly what the OP did - give the airline a chance to fix the situation, they blew it so I'll make my own way at their expense. Diversions are a fact of the airline business, NZ should be prepared.

Not sure if Australia has a cheap small claims court system, in the UK we do and it works wonders when BA are being difficult.

Funny you mention that, I was flying FlyBe (LC - MCC) the other day from Birmingham to Keflavik. Flight cancelled, got back to airport (we were 1/3 of the way there).

We landed, went through immigration, directed to customer service desk, handed a FlyBe brochure on our options with the cancellation - will upload on request.

We chose to stay at airport til next available flight (50 hours). Got told which hotel to go to, across the road, got told our daily meal allowance (£39) and rebooked onto new flight. Truly fantastic resolution given the terrible weather at destination airport.
 
I think it doesn't help when people jump in with "Serves you right, what did you expect?". Not very helpful at all.
I concur JohnK,

There is no need for any members here to make unhelpful and even nasty responses.

Obviously some people need some lessons on how to pass a message politely rather than via an attack or put down approach.

ie If you cannot say something nicely then don't say it at all :!:
 
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We landed, went through immigration, directed to customer service desk, handed a FlyBe brochure on our options with the cancellation - will upload on request.
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That sort of action is mandated in Europe ... More than 10 years ago they would likely have simply fobbed PAX of in such a situation with nothing more than a refund.
 
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I look forward to the update when Air NZ credits back the purchased VA flights, due to the fact that someone didn't want to wait in line.

Please keep us updated
 
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Is that directed at anyone in particular or all the nasty factions in thread.

Merry Christmas to all

It was directed at one particular respondent who put their point of view across with (in my opinion ) a tone that was unhelpful
 
There is no need for any members here to make unhelpful and even nasty responses.

Obviously some people need some lessons on how to pass a message politely rather than via an attack or put down approach.

ie If you cannot say something nicely then don't say it at all :!:

...and yet this advice is completely unnecessary (or advocated in the opposite) when the target of any such comments are airlines or anyone working for the airlines. Or those who don't support the dominant political views of AFF.

Let it be known that I am not a categorical corporate sympathiser. But if humanity, diplomacy and understanding is being advocated then let it be equally applied to all participants in this forum across all topics of discussion (or those reasonably accepted by the moderation body). And be it known that this is especially pertinent as this is an online written discussion forum - as most of you know, what is written and how it is interpreted can be very different things.


For the OP, if you are not happy with this, then someone upthread has mentioned to assemble your case and clearly communicate this to Air NZ. Don't be fobbed off until you receive a form of communication that at least acknowledges your case (and I don't mean some robot telling you, "we received your message"). A suggestion of the possible resolution to Air NZ would also be worthwhile and a justification as to why you think this is reasonable (i.e. both why you think it is reasonable that Air NZ give you this resolution and why it is a reasonable amount to request for a resolution) will be better for your case.

I suppose - what kind of compensation are you looking for? A refund (full or partial) for your original ticket? A cheque made out to the same amount as paid to Virgin Australia? Airline miles? A free flight? Or just an apology?

Someone also mentioned that the circumstances - viz. why did NZ divert and was it something they could control (i.e. they could have just landed in SYD or not?) - is important. It is; it may not discharge the airline of its responsibilities, but it is important to know why the irregularity as it can affect how you negotiate with the company.

Frankly, if travel insurers are just going to put black marks on you every time you attempt a claim - successful or unsuccessful - in a plain effort to bump up your premiums, then they shouldn't be deserving of your business.

Whilst it has little to no bearing on the situation at hand, what I want to understand is why the OP would be in severe trouble with the employer for arriving late on account of conditions which would have been out of their control. If the situation had gotten worse - for example, no flights home for the rest of the day (for whatever reason) and the OP forced to stay in MEL - what would happen then? I suppose if the employer had no idea of this trip, then they would not care about the circumstances as much - late is late - unless it was compassionate etc..
 
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Thanks to the other poster pointing out the severe thunderstorms and reason for the OP being diverted to MEL instead of SYD. I think I can understand why the OP chose to book themselves. The diverted NZ flight arrived at around 630pm in MEL, we don't know the fate of the other passengers on that flight except to say that NZ either couldn't or wouldn't put passengers on flights from MEL back to SYD, presumably the Air New Zealand crew were out of hours and probably because of a number of other reasons, including congestion at SYD, heavily booked flights and some QF and VA aircraft out of position. If I recall correctly - SYD airport was only closed for an hour or maybe 2 so there were options to get back to SYD that night. From the OP's post it appears that it was all a bit 'too hard' for NZ to organise and hence the accommodation of pax overnight in MEL and presumably they flew to SYD the next day? The curfew at SYD airport never helps in situations like this.

Presented with 2 choices - overnighting in MEL or booking their own flight to their destination (presumably at some cost) the OP chose option 2.

So yes - the original diversion and weather delay was outside NZ's control, but their response to the diversion and delay is within their control. Hopefully the OP takes mannej 's good constructive advice and will post back here with a result of what (if anything) Air New Zealand offers in the way of apologies or compensation.
 
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Thanks to the other poster pointing out the severe thunderstorms and reason for the OP being diverted to MEL instead of SYD. I think I can understand why the OP chose to book themselves. The diverted NZ flight arrived at around 630pm in MEL, we don't know the fate of the other passengers on that flight except to say that NZ either couldn't or wouldn't put passengers on flights from MEL back to SYD, presumably the Air New Zealand crew were out of hours and probably because of a number of other reasons, including congestion at SYD, heavily booked flights and some QF and VA aircraft out of position. If I recall correctly - SYD airport was only closed for an hour or maybe 2 so there were options to get back to SYD that night. From the OP's post it appears that it was all a bit 'too hard' for NZ to organise and hence the accommodation of pax overnight in MEL and presumably they flew to SYD the next day? The curfew at SYD airport never helps in situations like this.

Presented with 2 choices - overnighting in MEL or booking their own flight to their destination (presumably at some cost) the OP chose option 2.

So yes - the original diversion and weather delay was outside NZ's control, but their response to the diversion and delay is within their control. Hopefully the OP takes mannej 's good constructive advice and will post back here with a result of what (if anything) Air New Zealand offers in the way of apologies or compensation.

I would hope the NZ crew weren't out of hours just three hours after leaving New Zealand!

I think there must be some leeway for NZ in case of IRROPS such as this. MEL wouldn't have been expecting a plane to come in, and not unreasonable for there to be some delay while they tried to figure things out.

However - the response could be better. It is not unexpected that some pax would/could make their own arrangements. And for NZ to say they will not entertain any request for reimbursement is perhaps a bit unfair.
 
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...and yet this advice is completely unnecessary (or advocated in the opposite) when the target of any such comments are airlines or anyone working for the airlines. Or those who don't support the dominant political views of AFF.
It was very tempting to simply say 'rubbish' however in an effort to practice what I preach I shall say I do not agree with your comment at all. There is never a problem with disagreement but it doesn't need to be aggressive or personal.

I would hope the NZ crew weren't out of hours just three hours after leaving New Zealand!
You are of course assuming that this was their first and only leg. It's quite possible that they had flown other legs prior to this one.
 
My 2c worth The OP just wandered off and booked themselves onto another flight, lines were to long for then to wait for NZ to do the same, yet they expect NZ to foot the bill. Sorry i dont agree, if you cannot allow a business time to fix an issue and resolve it in a timely manner ( and 45 minutes would not be nearly enough time to fix this up ) then you must be responsible for your own actions ie pay your own way on this occasion.
Further to this, was the OPs real reason for taking off and buying a ticket so quickly actually just to Que jump and ensure they got a seat before anyone else?
 
My 2c worth The OP just wandered off and booked themselves onto another flight, lines were to long for then to wait for NZ to do the same, yet they expect NZ to foot the bill. Sorry i dont agree, if you cannot allow a business time to fix an issue and resolve it in a timely manner ( and 45 minutes would not be nearly enough time to fix this up ) then you must be responsible for your own actions ie pay your own way on this occasion.

From how I understand the OP's version of events - they later/subsequently found out that the diverted pax ended up staying in MEL overnight at Air New Zealand's cost and were put onto flight(s) the next day, not sure if original aircraft or crew flew the next morning or if re-accommodated on other domestic carriers and flights. We would just be guessing about when the other pax found out about this, whether urgent paxs were offered other options/alternatives or not, and how long it took for this decision to be made.

Further to this, was the OPs real reason for taking off and buying a ticket so quickly actually just to Que jump and ensure they got a seat before anyone else?

That's an interesting question. Some would argue that given the OP's necessity to be in SYD that this was smart thinking, depends on the urgency of getting to SYD and the amount of pfaffing about that NZ put other pax through would be a consideration. In this case - obviously the urgency of the need to return to SYD trumped the potential loss of the last minute walk-up cost of the VA flight from MEL-SYD, so the OP did that and now it has we have the issue as to what, if any, compensation is fair or reasonable.

So if most people agree that despite the weather diversion being outside NZ's control, they did have an obligation to reacomodate/adjust their operations or make alternative arrangements to get the pax to their desired destination in a reasonable amount of time.

I would think that if airlines were obliged to compensate disrupted/delayed passengers in line with the last minute 'walk up' airfares of booking an alternative carrier to the intended destinations then I would be betting airlines response to delays and disruptions/diversions would get a whole lot quicker, efficient and more effective that they sometimes are now. :rolleyes:

Sort of goes to the issue raised in several different threads like this that sure - air transport is subject to unexpected random things like mechanical breakdowns, weather, diversions, aircraft substitutions, delays etc etc plus all the self inflicted ones such as strikes/industrial disputes, dumb gate allocations, baggage and other ground delays, tight schedules, overselling practises etc etc there seems to be a consistent theme that some airlines don't value the time of their customers very much by not warning pax of foreseeable delays, being very slow and reluctant to reaccomodate pax on other carriers, clinging to strict check-in and cancellation policies and T&Cs and yet write fine print T&Cs along the lines of vague promises to transport the passenger at some point in the future at an unspecified date and time that may be very different to the original purchased ticket and schedule.

But we also have to keep a sense of perspective that unexpected delays and diversions happen every day with nearly every airline with the majority of them sorted out with little or modest inconvenience to the passengers.

Will be interesting to see if any gesture or compensation in the form of $$, vouchers, points or other things come out of it.
 
That's an interesting question. Some would argue that given the OP's necessity to be in SYD that this was smart thinking,

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Agree - queue jumping could be considered the 'smart' thing to do. I would go a step further to say it is fairly common... if you had any sort of status and were faced with a queue like that you'd be on the phone to your premium line in a flash. In the states, those who can head immediately to their respective clubs (AAdmirals etc) rather than wait in line at the gate where rebooking can take an hour or more.

In cases of disruption it is every person for themselves. Either you run to the rebooking desk to be first in line, or you use whichever other means you can. If you snooze in cases like that you're gonna lose.
 
We did only hear the OPs version of events here. Would be interesting to hear from other Pax to see if any enhancements have been added tot he story..
 
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We did only hear the OPs version of events here. Would be interesting to hear from other Pax to see if any enhancements have been added tot he story..

I was thinking the same thing. There is always two sides to a story with the truth somewhere in between.
 
My 2c worth The OP just wandered off and booked themselves onto another flight, lines were to long for then to wait for NZ to do the same, yet they expect NZ to foot the bill. Sorry i dont agree, if you cannot allow a business time to fix an issue and resolve it in a timely manner ( and 45 minutes would not be nearly enough time to fix this up ) then you must be responsible for your own actions ie pay your own way on this occasion.
Further to this, was the OPs real reason for taking off and buying a ticket so quickly actually just to Que jump and ensure they got a seat before anyone else?

If you read the OP again, I don't think 'wandered off' and 'expected NZ to foot the bill' are supported statements, but I get the gist if your perspective,

I wonder how long you would give the airline to 'fix the problem'? The plane didn't suddenly materialise at MEL. It was headed to SYD and got diverted. Without knowing the details, you would think that ANZ might have had 30 mins notice before landing, maybe 40 mins before pax at counter, that a bunch of unhappy pax were about to present at MEL counter wanting alternatives.

I've said this before - surely airlines have contingency plans for this, using contractors or not? Diversions, cancellations etc etc are a fact of life in the airline business. Pax should be prepared for it, and airlines more so. To my mind, there is no excuse whatsoever for a shambles at a counter in cases like this. They know that it will be a pax bunfight - that what pax under stress do. Most pax are able to be marshalled and organised by appropriate firm directions. This was not apparent in this case.

J and status pax on a 737 sized aircraft should have arrangements made within 30 mins of event being apparent (ie before landing in this case.) So announcement made on landing, before dis-embarkation. Maybe that's ambitious, but should be a target. Others should present to a counter that is managed, expecting a rabble of pax.

This is a case of some-one needing to get to destination and confronted with an airline-centred rabble. I would certainly book myself in this case and then see what the airline would do for me. I wouldn't take 'go away, you didn't follow our policy' as a final answer. But I know that I may not get ultimate satisfaction.

Actually, I did this once with Lufthansa, flying out of Morocco. I wasn't going to enter a counter melee of 150+ pax in Casablanca airport when a flight was suddenly cancelled. I simply marched to the Air France (shudder) counter and got myself on a flight out. I claimed successfully against LH, but of course that was under EU rules.

Point here is that the OP does NOT have to accept the ANZ 'policy' of "just wait as long as we want or tough!". ANZ 'policy' is not consumer law.
 
I look forward to the update when Air NZ credits back the purchased VA flights, due to the fact that someone didn't want to wait in line.

Please keep us updated
How long would have you waited in line? Curfew was already a consideration with best possible outcome from Air New Zealand a flight sometime the next day.

Further to this, was the OPs real reason for taking off and buying a ticket so quickly actually just to Que jump and ensure they got a seat before anyone else?
I am not sure that was their intention. They simply wanted to ensure they got out of MEL that night before curfew in SYD so they can go to work the next day.

It is not unreasonable. I do not believe Air New Zealand could have offered anything better and all they have to do is reimburse costs for flight.
 
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