Adding a secondary FF number to booking.

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  1. Mal

    Mal Enthusiast

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    A weird question I have (how unusual! :D )

    If I have a Qantas booking and want my FF status to be used for seat allocation/baggage routing/op-up (ha!) chances etc, but don't want that FF account to earn the points/SC's, is this possible?

    So, basically I want the option later to credit that flight to eg AA, but not to direct the points to either QF or AA at the time of flying.

    I believe you can have secondary FF numbers, but is this possible if you don't have a primary FF number specified?
     

  2. Dave Noble

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    You can have multiple numbers in a booking, one of which will be where the points will go. It is v risky to try doing this and you do run a good risk of miles ending up in the wrong account

    What you can do , which is safe

    (1) Put QF number in booking and do the seat allocation
    (2) Remove FF number. Ensure that it is removed by checking on checkmytrip
    (3) Add AA number. Ensure that it is correctly added by checking on checkmytrip
    (4) At checkin, present the QF card to ensure that you get your additional allowances

    Dave
     
  3. Mal

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    So if I wanted status, but no FF points for a domestic flight:

    Add FF number.
    Remove the morning of flight.
    Check that it's been removed.
    Show card. Resist staffer's push to have the number recorded.
    Fly outbound journey.
    Add FF number.
    Remove the morning of return flight.
    Check that it's been removed.
    Show card. Resist staffer's push to have the number recorded.

    Sounds like lots of fun. So there is no other way?

    Keep in mind, I don't want the points going anywhere during the flight, but might want to put them somewhere after the flight.
     
  4. Dave Noble

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    No other way; the FF system is not designed to just work on where you might want it later.

    Dave
     
  5. Mal

    Mal Enthusiast

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    Oh well :)

    Ta for the advice. I'll play "FF number lottery"
     
  6. JohnK

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    What mischief are you contemplating? :shock:
     
  7. Kiwi Flyer

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    Very risky. Even when system is designed to work this way - eg SQ's PPS system it sometimes doesn't work properly.You can end up with a mess that takes months to sort out, and may not end up with what you intended.

    At the very least forget about op-ups unless the check-in agent likes you. The best chance of getting op-ups is having your status in the system until you are on board.

    The only sure way to have flexibility to post to FFP of your choice after the flight, is to not enter any FFP at all. But do this and the only benefits you'll get from status are at check in when you wave your card with status.

    If you are contemplating a way to post to 2 different accounts, remember that when crediting to FFP other than the airline flown the FFP contacts the operating airline for confirmation and if the points have gone elsewhere they will inform the FFP of this.
     
  8. QF WP

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    #8 QF WP, Jun 21, 2006
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    Nothing untoward about Mal's thought process, JohnK. Quite a number of us use it to get the best of both worlds.

    He wants his QF Plat status to rule his seating assignment, as he is more likely to get a preferred seating in accordance with his elite profile, rather than be in the middle or back with his AA status (Plat or lower).

    He wants to credit the flights to AA (better earn & burn rate than QF).
     
  9. QF WP

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    There are a couple of us with proven examples that sometime (just sometimes :D ) they get credit to both programs :eek: - for some more regularly than others (yes I've had a couple, but another member has been exceedingly succesful with more than a handful of them (yes, I'm jealous :-| ).
     
  10. Kiwi Flyer

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    Interesting - sounds like OW is more lax about this than *A.
     
  11. serfty

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    #11 serfty, Jun 21, 2006
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    Here is a Link to a FT thread discussing crediting points to one program and using the status of another: QF and AA FF numbers: how to change them?

    A little bit more detail from Kiwi Flyer: Multiple benefits.

    So it can be done; just not reliably. And it appears to be quite risky as well.
     
  12. Dave Noble

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    Indeed. It can be possible to do that; I wouldnt recommend it since there is too much chance of things going wrong as far as points crediting going

    Dave
     
  13. Kiwi Flyer

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    Indeed SQ's PPS system is designed to allow qualifying pax the benefits of 2 programs, but yet there is nearly always an active thread about the double dipping not working properly.
     
  14. JohnK

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    It is called greed. It is fraud.

    It causes too many anxious moments trying to fix flights posting to wrong FF accounts. If it happens often enough and is detected by someone you may end up losing all your benefits. Not worth the risk in my opinion.
     
  15. Dave Noble

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    There is nothing fraudulent in having 2 number in a booking where one of them is just there to indicate OW status, or , in the case of PPS where it is separate to FF earning.

    The only risk is that points will go to the wrong account, but that to me is unwanted hassle

    Dave
     
  16. JohnK

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    Sorry Dave I know nothing about PPS and that is not what I was referring to. I have no problem with people trying to use their OW status in the best way possible. But if something goes wrong then it is not worth the hassle in my opinion.

    In the case of getting points/SC's for a flight credited to both QF and AA, now that is fraudulent. Or do you call this good management? Good luck perhaps?
     
  17. Kiwi Flyer

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    It is not fraud if there was no intention to receive benefits not entitled to (eg points in more than one program for the same flight).

    That said, even legitimate usage of 2 FFP numbers is a hassle.


    PPS is designed to accrue status with SQ at the same time as points/miles (and status) with other FFP. Yet I still find one in 10-20 flights posts wrongly. Sometimes I will go to great lengths to get it corrected (this can take months) and other times I just let it go and forego a few (thousand) miles.
     
  18. Dave Noble

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    In the few times I have seen it , I would call it a "computer error in your favour, collect frequent flyer miles" . I have only seen it occur by accident to a fiend, not by deliberate planning

    Dave
     
  19. serfty

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    Hi JohnK,

    Methinks there's a little confusion and I feel the urge to clarify. It is not fraud as any points/miles/qmiles etc. only go to the one program as properly earned.

    Here's the FT quote:
    The FF number in the FQTS field will give your booking the status of that FF program.

    The FF number entered in the FQTV field will generate frequent flyer miles/points along with any SC's/TC's/Qmiles's etc to that program.

    So the points etc should ONLY go the to program as per the FQTV field.

    Why would you want to do this? Here is an example:

    Say you are a QF SG starting out on a "Candy Thief Challenge" Dave Noble) and want the benefit of your SG/Sapphire privileges on your flights until you attain AAdvantage Plat while at the same time sending the miles & Qmiles to AA.

    You would get your Qantas FF number put to the FQTS field and your AAdvantage number into the FQTV field. Your QF status would be used to ascertain elegibility for seat allocation, OpUps etc. However, all miles & Qmiles should go to AAdvantage.

    As noted by others, this is all quite risky (especially with a Plat Challenge). I admit that I initially perceived this incorrectly as well.
     
  20. JohnK

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    Yes there is a little confusion but another comment that threw me off. I have re-read the thread again and I see nothing wrong with people trying to utilise their status in 2 different programs. I can be costly/difficult to fix if something goes wrong and is not worth it in my opinion.

    My comment about fraud came about when it was mentioned on AFF that someone on FT has been successful at getting SC's and FF points for some flights credited to both AA and QF and people will try to emulate this feat by putting 2 FF numbers in their bookings. Trying to do this can be fraught with danger. Sorry if I have caused any confusion.
     
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