A380 OQA mostly repaired - Back in air by end of April?

[Stephen65]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

So Air France is not a major airline I assume? It's only not a "major safety issue" unless 500+ people die under "strange circumstances". I'm hoping that the media outrage will get them to do what they should do in the first place- get those damn things repaired. Seriously, can't be that hard, can it!

The only two strange things about that crash were:

- why the co-pilot had the stick pulled back and held back all the way from 38,000 feet to the ocean despite the stall warning repeatedly sounding and the pitch indicators showing a nose up attitude

- why the captain (once he was awakened) didn't act to take command of the coughpit and flight controls

 

[Berlin]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

The only two strange things about that crash were:

- why the co-pilot had the stick pulled back and held back all the way from 38,000 feet to the ocean despite the stall warning repeatedly sounding and the pitch indicators showing a nose up attitude

- why the captain (once he was awakened) didn't act to take command of the coughpit and flight controls

Oh yes, now we know it. The "strange circumstances" was meant to be sarcasm to prove my point. Those pitot readers malfunctioning which started the entire thing were known months before, both to the European authorities AND Air France. Just like those cracks now- all not safety relevant until something happens.

 

[casanovawa]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

Did RR know about the faulty design of its engines and change it, or had new versions of the A380 engines made, but the old ones left on?? Can't quite remember, but just because you had a sub standard design and changed it, not sure it makes sense to leave the old, flawed planes still flying IF it is only a case of older, first-batch planes suffering these cracks... And anyway, if it was faulty design and workmanship that are causing these cracks couldn't Qantas and the airlines sue Airbus for damages and costs of rectifying their mistakes??? Anyway, hopefully they know what they are doing and not cutting corners...

 

[straitman]

So Air France is not a major airline I assume? It's only not a "major safety issue" unless 500+ people die under "strange circumstances". I'm hoping that the media outrage will get them to do what they should do in the first place- get those damn things repaired. Seriously, can't be that hard, can it!

I have to suggest that you read some of the real accident reports rather than the media hype on that accident.

Read the Ask the Pilot thread and see JB747's comments about it. The 'non repair' had very little, if anything to do with the accident.

 

[Berlin]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

I have to suggest that you read some of the real accident reports rather than the media hype on that accident.

Read the Ask the Pilot thread and see JB747's comments about it. The 'non repair' had very little, if anything to do with the accident.

Well, with all respect, but may I suggest that you first read all the material yourself? I have very much read all that rather than just listening to "media hype" and after all I can find on the topic, it is pretty common knowledge by now that the entire incident got only started because the frozen pitot readers showed an incorrect air speed. That the crew then acted incorrectly, probably due to insufficient training, is another issue. But without the wrong airspeed, all this wouldn't have started and both the airline and the authorities had very well warned about this in advance. Which only proves my point: It's all "safe" unless something happens and then a chain reaction like in this case can make the unthinkable happen.

 

[munitalP]

And as an engineer albeit electrical, I will not fly on a scarebus eek 380. this latest issue regardless of how minor it may or may not be is further reason for me to avoid this aircraft.

I have conducted many RCA on failures of critical HV equipment over the years, they all tend to start with a minor known fault which is programmed for scheduled maintenance at point x in the future but go from minor to critical to catastrophic in a blink of an eye at exponential growth.


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[samh004]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

And as an engineer albeit electrical, I will not fly on a scarebus eek 380. this latest issue regardless of how minor it may or may not be is further reason for me to avoid this aircraft.

I have conducted many RCA on failures of critical HV equipment over the years, they all tend to start with a minor known fault which is programmed for scheduled maintenance at point x in the future but go from minor to critical to catastrophic in a blink of an eye at exponential growth.

I thought you’d flown on one recently?

 

[medhead]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

To those saying trust the manufacturer they know what their doing, they won't hurt us, I just want to say [-]Boeing 707[/-] DC10 cargo door.

I thought you’d flown on one recently?

Didn't I meet you in the F lounge when that was supposed to happen. There was a last minute change which left us without the guest of honour.

 

[mannej]

To those saying trust the manufacturer they know what their doing, they won't hurt us, I just want to say Boeing 707 cargo door.



Didn't I meet you in the F lounge when that was supposed to happen. There was a last minute change which left us without the guest of honour.

Don't you mean the DC10 cargo door?

 

[LiamR]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

To those saying trust the manufacturer they know what their doing, they won't hurt us, I just want to say Boeing 707 cargo door.



Didn't I meet you in the F lounge when that was supposed to happen. There was a last minute change which left us without the guest of honour.

Don't you mean the DC10 cargo door?

Or the 747?

 

[medhead]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

Don't you mean the DC10 cargo door?

Yes, sorry.

Turkish Airlines Flight 981 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Awesom Andy]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

The way I interpret the situation is:
1. There are cracks where there shouldn't be any, in a pretty young aircraft.
2. Cracks in this part would reduce its strength, hence loads would be transferred to other structures linked to this cracked part.
3. Nancy has been grounded for more than a year, which means the problem has been undetected for at least this time.
4. Other A380s can be flying with this problem for another 4 years.
5. Also note that Qantas has some of the older batches of the A380, with higher-rated engines than all other RR users - note that the engines are (obviously) all mounted on the wings.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

Well, they could just be better safe than sorry and suck up the costs involved. At least that's definitely the safest, won't HARM to fix those cracks, will it?

Can I ask if you have seen how many AD's are active at present that DON'T require action until a specified service time. You'll find more than you think.

Fact is Airbus has determined the risk (or no risk) as to when the spars should be fixed.

If airlines "sucked it up" we'd be paying a fortune for tickets due to the increased costs and fleets would end up being grounded! It's a rather simplistic view you have.

 

[Berlin]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

It's a rather simplistic view you have.

Simplistic? Simplistic hundreds of people dead I say. No- "safety first" is then obviously a lie. I fully understand the commercial considerations for the airline, no doubt about it. But then don't tell us that safety always goes first.

 

[The Rok]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

I think this is one of those situations where a company makes an informed decision based on a cost benefit analysis.

The cost of grounding the fleet to repair the cracks (including the costs of public perception of the aircraft post repair which may be unrepairable) is far more than the cost of leaving them in the air and potentially having an accident based on the risk that the airlines and Airbus have identified.

 

[munitalP]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

I thought you’d flown on one recently?

Nah, routing changed, so instead of MEL/SYD/LAX, it became MEL/LAX which made me happy as it was a 747

 

[The Rok]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

Nah, routing changed, so instead of MEL/SYD/LAX, it became MEL/LAX which made me happy as it was a 747

OT,

RE your signature about luggage tags. The domain has expired.

 

[straitman]

Simplistic? Simplistic hundreds of people dead I say. No- "safety first" is then obviously a lie. I fully understand the commercial considerations for the airline, no doubt about it. But then don't tell us that safety always goes first.

Do you understand how the system of aircraft inspections and ADs work?

This all comes back to a comment years ago by Dick Smith when he was running the CAA (or CASA) referring to affordable safety. Much and all how it sounds so wrong, he was correct if you think about it.

If I don't survive my A380 trip today I'll concede you are correct :!:

One other minor thing to consider is that IF the pilots had any concerns they would not be flying the aircraft and they have a whole lot of information available to them that you and I don't have.

 

[nlagalle]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

Simplistic? Simplistic hundreds of people dead I say. No- "safety first" is then obviously a lie. I fully understand the commercial considerations for the airline, no doubt about it. But then don't tell us that safety always goes first.

Yes simplistic. You don't know the full details of the AD. You also don't know existing AD's that are already published that don't require action until a set time. You'll also find very few AD's require immediate action.

If it was truly safety first, then no airline would take off due to the risk!

 

[Berlin]

Re: New A380 issues - cracks found in Nancy Bird walton's wing ribs

Yes simplistic.

It becomes very clear to me who is the one with the simplistic thinking here but I'll leave it at that.

I think the analysis of "The Rok" further up on this page is pretty much accurate. It's about money and nothing else. Ergo: Money first, not safety. That's all I'm saying.