50 people injured on SYD-AKL LATAM flight LA800

[tomlee1986]

Not sure who exactly 7news got as their expert, but he definitely didn't come off with the right tone here.

thanks for the video update... and it is completely scary! And it is exactly why seatbelts should be worn at all times during the flight where possible!

 

[SYD]

Not sure who exactly 7news got as their expert, but he definitely didn't come off with the right tone here.

I was waiting for him to say “I hope the voice recorder doesn’t have someone saying ‘what does this button do’…”

Oh, and I suspect Airbus are getting pi$$ed seeing interviews with “former Airbus pilot” and photos of LA A320s….

 

[XWu]

No mention of food cart-related injury so presumably the food service is done and dusted and FA not all in the aisle. Considering they are the least likely to be buckled up for the entire flight (except during their rest period) I am surprised if a majority of FA are not injured by this

Side issue here but wonder if this happened on the QF metal, if they would pursue those who upload video and images “taken without the QF staff’s permission “.

Back to the main issue, there appears to be far too many incidents involving Boeing products making it to the front page compared to the other main competitor. Wonder if there is any official stats anywhere that reflects the real incident reporting frequency compared to the pop media.

People may say this is due to the sheer number of Boeing products in use, particularly those older model but I doubt that is sufficient explanation for this. Probably time to look at Boeing share Prices

 

[bullerdude]

I can't vouch for the veracity, but this comment on the Avherald post is interesting:

Wow that’s concerning if true!

Guess the planes need a good old turn off and on again before it flight

(And scary )

 

[mjt57]

There's no confirmed information from any of the normal sources. One extremely scary rumour. TBA.

On the Melbourne talkback AM radio they had one pax who claimed that the "pilot" (not the captain or FO, mind you) said that they lost instrumentation.

He claimed that the aircraft pitched nose-down then the "back tail corrected this" (paraphrasing here). The hosts of the show asked how long did the event go on for. The guy said it was over "in a flash". He was dozing when it happened. Amazing how much detail he had to offer given that he was asleep or dozing then waking up to chaos and it was all over very quickly.

But, I guess that the media sees it as a headline, click-bait or whatever.

 

[tomlee1986]

according to media - the black box of the flight had been seized by the authorities!

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/black-box-seized-by-authorities-investigating-latam-airlines-la800-flight-after-turbulence-issue-to-auckland/news-story/76fee35d0469f8fb93bd8f88c864defa

 

[exLXCXFF]

Is “seizing” an unusual word to be used given these circumstances? Or is it always “seized by the respective local authorities”?

 

[Pushka]

Is “seizing” an unusual word to be used given these circumstances? Or is it always “seized by the respective local authorities”?

Emotionally driven words seem to be de riguer these days. Retrieved or in this case, removed, just isn't powerful enough apparently.

 

[tomlee1986]

Is “seizing” an unusual word to be used given these circumstances? Or is it always “seized by the respective local authorities”?

I am personally unsure but this is what multiple media had used

 

[oz_mark]

Emotionally driven words seem to be de riguer these days. Retrieved or in this case, removed, just isn't powerful enough apparently.

Although retrieve and remove doesn't convey that they have taken control of it.

 

[NM]

On the Melbourne talkback AM radio they had one pax who claimed that the "pilot" (not the captain or FO, mind you) said that they lost instrumentation.

He claimed that the aircraft pitched nose-down then the "back tail corrected this" (paraphrasing here). The hosts of the show asked how long did the event go on for. The guy said it was over "in a flash". He was dozing when it happened. Amazing how much detail he had to offer given that he was asleep or dozing then waking up to chaos and it was all over very quickly.

But, I guess that the media sees it as a headline, click-bait or whatever.

Aviation Herald reported "The captain later said they had briefly lost their instrumentation, then it came back all of the sudden."

The Aviation Herald

Aviation Herald - News, Incidents and Accidents in Aviation

avherald.com

 

[p--and--t]

Emotionally driven words seem to be de riguer these days. Retrieved or in this case, removed, just isn't powerful enough apparently.

My observation is "7" are incapable of running a story without chaos or crisis or similar word in the headline.

 

[eric2011]

I really dont believe that any captain, pilot, FO or indeed anyone from the pointy end would casually walk to the back of the plane and discuss anything with anyone. What do you think JB, is that something you would do?

 

[jb747]

Side issue here but wonder if this happened on the QF metal, if they would pursue those who upload video and images “taken without the QF staff’s permission “.

After a major incident, in which lawsuits are likely to be coming the other way, and during which the press would be having a field day…. Sort of doubt it.

Back to the main issue, there appears to be far too many incidents involving Boeing products making it to the front page compared to the other main competitor. Wonder if there is any official stats anywhere that reflects the real incident reporting frequency compared to the pop media.

People may say this is due to the sheer number of Boeing products in use, particularly those older model but I doubt that is sufficient explanation for this. Probably time to look at Boeing share Prices

The older model Boeings aren’t a problem…pretty much as if they were built by a different company. The issues are largely with the Max and the 787. I have no faith in them getting their new variant of the 777 right, but the older ones were good machines (as were the 747, 757, and 767).

Airbus have certainly had their share of issues over the years, but they embraced fly by wire ages back, and have never tried to apply any of its principles to older aircraft. On the other hand, they’ve been more conservative when it comes to alternate power supplies, so their 350 did not end up with a steel encased emergency lithium battery. I think there was a crossover around 2005. Prior to that a new Boeing was the better bet, but after, then go with Airbus. One was getting better, whilst the other wasn’t.

On the Melbourne talkback AM radio they had one pax who claimed that the "pilot" (not the captain or FO, mind you) said that they lost instrumentation.

Passengers mostly can’t tell the difference.

He claimed that the aircraft pitched nose-down then the "back tail corrected this" (paraphrasing here). The hosts of the show asked how long did the event go on for. The guy said it was over "in a flash". He was dozing when it happened. Amazing how much detail he had to offer given that he was asleep or dozing then waking up to chaos and it was all over very quickly.

I guess that if your life is flashing before your eyes, then time might do strange things. In reality, I think that as people think about these events, their mind fills in the blanks, with varying levels of accuracy.

I really dont believe that any captain, pilot, FO or indeed anyone from the pointy end would casually walk to the back of the plane and discuss anything with anyone. What do you think JB, is that something you would do?

In flight, hell no. But, once on the ground, if people are asking what happened, then I see no reason not to tell them what you do know. After all, the event involves them. That’s the reason I allowed people on QF30 to take pictures of the door area as they were disembarking. People deserve the truth, especially if something has just tried to kill them.

 

[jb747]

For what it’s worth, the instruments blanking out won’t cause this sort of thing by itself. I lost all of a -400s screens way back around 1990 when I was an FO. They went away for about a minute, and then came back. In the interim we’d obeyed a really important rule. Touch nothing! If any of this is true, then it would seem that the pitch issue has been caused by a transient elevator input from the flight control computers on restart.

So:
Why did the systems go away in the first place?
Why wasn’t there a clean transition to the backup power and or flight control computers?
What caused the elevator input on restart?

 

[jb747]

This is interesting reading. It may not be involved in this event, but gives an idea of the issues.

A Reverse Engineer’s Perspective on the Boeing 787 ‘51 days’ Airworthiness Directive – IOActive

ioactive.com

 

[RooFlyer]

The guy said it was over "in a flash". He was dozing when it happened. Amazing how much detail he had to offer given that he was asleep or dozing then waking up to chaos and it was all over very quickly.

The event sounds like it happened very quickly and the guy would’ve been waking up instantaneously and then to see all the ensuing chaos. Sort of being a witness to a shooting. You might not notice the actual first event, but you’d sure know what happened straight afterwards.

Is “seizing” an unusual word to be used given these circumstances? Or is it always “seized by the respective local authorities”?

I took it simply to mean the authorities had and taken possession and control of it. It’s a common expression for to say that evidence has been seized by police etc.

 

[Must...Fly!]

This is interesting reading. It may not be involved in this event, but gives an idea of the issues.

A Reverse Engineer’s Perspective on the Boeing 787 ‘51 days’ Airworthiness Directive – IOActive

ioactive.com

Thanks. I was looking for this yesterday but couldn't find it anywhere. I was sure I recalled something related to the 787 and its systems from 2018 but it was this, I think.

operator error, something about being awake for 21 hours...

 

[BAM1748]

Although retrieve and remove doesn't convey that they have taken control of it.

Or even less exciting would the data have been downloaded with the boxes remaining on the plane.

 

[XWu]

This is interesting reading. It may not be involved in this event, but gives an idea of the issues.

A Reverse Engineer’s Perspective on the Boeing 787 ‘51 days’ Airworthiness Directive – IOActive

ioactive.com

Doesn’t 51 days assuming average 10 hours flight time lands it smack (pun intended, poor dad joke alert) right in the middle of the A Check maintenance recommendation for this kind of equipment? So if by luck the airline do the 400-600 hours A Check routine, most of the computers would power down the right time serendipitously. Noted your comparison with Airbus on systems so this may explain a few things. Agree with you previously comments that the older Boeing planes does not seem to be affected by these issues.

With this in mind, the world wide coverage of a Boeing whistleblower’s reportedly self inflicted death seemed to reflect the increasing interst and concern about Boeing’s recent products