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2019 Federal Election Discussion

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True. But the policy was that only Government pensioners would avoid the dividend imputations issue.
Oh I agree that was the policy though didn’t they concede that funds already in retirement phase would be treated differently? Realistically not that many OAPs (on government pension) are going to have much in dividend payments.
 

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Oh I agree that was the policy though didn’t they concede that funds already in retirement phase would be treated differently?
No! That's why I and a bunch of other self funded tried retirees were going to be hit with big reductions in our incomes! Bang ... just like that, after planning for years.

.. and my SMSF is in 'pension phase' according to government lingo. :)
 

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Living under a rock?








So we are not all going to be dead by 2030. It is the current projection for the tipping point of the planets' climate system, should we choose to do nothing. The numerous impacts of events like melting ice sheets and warming oceans could result in catastrophic changes to the stability of our existence.

Humans will adapt or die - how many will be in each category is the question. What is your projection, drron?
 

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Nope. That makes you rich apparently.
Nope. That makes you a self-funded retiree.

The moral question is whether it is fair to reverse a stupidly generous concession by John Howard when some retirees have arranged their affairs to take advantage of this negative tax. The rest of us are paying for a handout that you could argue hasn't been earned, but for every winner there must be a loser. Who you pick is down to your ideology it seems.

According to Flannery, Adelaide was going to have run out of water, quite some years ago.
Dam levels in the Sydney catchment area have fallen below 55% and we are firing up the desalination plant. Adelaide is at 42%. What is your comfort level about future capacity?
 

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No! That's why I and a bunch of other self funded tried retirees were going to be hit with big reductions in our incomes! Bang ... just like that, after planning for years.

.. and my SMSF is in 'pension phase' according to government lingo. :)
I stand corrected. :)
 

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Nope. That makes you a self-funded retiree.

The moral question is whether it is fair to reverse a stupidly generous concession by John Howard when some retirees have arranged their affairs to take advantage of this negative tax. The rest of us are paying for a handout that you could argue hasn't been earned, but for every winner there must be a loser. Who you pick is down to your ideology it seems.



Dam levels in the Sydney catchment area have fallen below 55% and we are firing up the desalination plant. Adelaide is at 42%. What is your comfort level about future capacity?
If things are so desperate that some fear we may run out of water, then we can partly blame those in power who think encouraging more and more people to come to the dry continent without worrying about the infrastructure to support them, like dams. All that water running out to sea after floods just adds to your fears about rising sea levels when it could be ensuring water is available for increasing populations.

Fixation on one aspect of a changing environment, that of CO2 models has blinded people to the practical things they could be doing now. Whenever I hear green groups arguing against dams on environmental grounds I always feel they are actually pushing a depopulation agenda if human centric factors are the biggest problem we face.
 
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So we are not all going to be dead by 2030. It is the current projection for the tipping point of the planets' climate system, should we choose to do nothing.
Aw, c'mon. We've had 'tipping points' come and go for years. That's why the whole scare campaign (and yes, the alarmists have said they they are trying to scare societies into action) is failing. Remember the 'hockey stick' and other projections of warming? All wrong; discredited. The 'science was settled' - remember? Until they discovered it wasn't. Now they are down to "measuring" 'global temperatures' to the nearest 1/100th of a degree, but in reality its just presenting a result of a computer model.

And who is doing 'nothing'? In Australia we are have met all the United Nations type 'targets' and moving on to more. Its just that we aren't adopting the extreme position advocated by the de-industrialisation Greens.

The alarmists have shot themselves (and their cause) in the foot by exaggerating their case, presenting themselves as morally superior and bullying and denigrating anyone who opposes their view. Oh, that and rank hypocrisy (do what I say, not as I do) by the likes of climate zealot Steggall, Hollywood celebrities, the Greens and the likes of Al Gore.
 

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Bass has been taken off the 'doubtful' table by the ABC, although the AEC still has it 'in doubt' - but the margin is slowly increasing now over 500.

Cowan, Lilley and Macquarie the last in the ABC's doubtful group.
 

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Dam levels in the Sydney catchment area have fallen below 55% and we are firing up the desalination plant. Adelaide is at 42%. What is your comfort level about future capacity?
In Feb 2007, catchment fell to 33% of capacity, yet in 2012 it reached 97% or something in that order of magnitude. The thing is Australia has gone through booms and busts with rainfall for as long as Europeans have recorded it after settling in the country, and no doubt well before Europeans arrived.

Yes, there are probably some good indicators of climate change that can be used to tell the story. But citing every single weather event or weather pattern as "global warming" or "climate change" (as I often hear) is quite a stretch.
 

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Aw, c'mon. We've had 'tipping points' come and go for years. That's why the whole scare campaign (and yes, the alarmists have said they they are trying to scare societies into action) is failing. Remember the 'hockey stick' and other projections of warming? All wrong; discredited. The 'science was settled' - remember? Until they discovered it wasn't. Now they are down to "measuring" 'global temperatures' to the nearest 1/100th of a degree, but in reality its just presenting a result of a computer model.

And who is doing 'nothing'? In Australia we are have met all the United Nations type 'targets' and moving on to more. Its just that we aren't adopting the extreme position advocated by the de-industrialisation Greens.

The alarmists have shot themselves (and their cause) in the foot by exaggerating their case, presenting themselves as morally superior and bullying and denigrating anyone who opposes their view. Oh, that and rank hypocrisy (do what I say, not as I do) by the likes of climate zealot Steggall, Hollywood celebrities, the Greens and the likes of Al Gore.
Well said and it’s exposures the so called progressive left/green moral superior tunnel vision thinking activists who hate push back and do not want to have civil honest and sensible debate. The hypocrisy in some is astounding. Now Greenpeace wanting an uprising against the government. Come on really...... There was an uprising. By the quiet common sense thinking people in Australia when they roared on Saturday night.
 
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ABC this morning , Interviewed a professor of marine science with a specialty in mythology.. well climate change actually..
These guys seem to really believe their pitch and the delivery is messianic.
They are also very careful to speak in generalities about models and the prospect of.. etc etc.

A few years ago (over dinner on a ship) , a very arrogant professor of something ended up apoplectic as, in front of the other guests , I calmly but systematically dismantled his hype loaded diatribe about the coming armageddon.
It was fun.. made my night..
 

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Nope. That makes you a self-funded retiree.

The moral question is whether it is fair to reverse a stupidly generous concession by John Howard when some retirees have arranged their affairs to take advantage of this negative tax. The rest of us are paying for a handout that you could argue hasn't been earned, but for every winner there must be a loser. Who you pick is down to your ideology it seems.



Dam levels in the Sydney catchment area have fallen below 55% and we are firing up the desalination plant. Adelaide is at 42%. What is your comfort level about future capacity?
Its the end of summer. 42% is not too bad. Revisit at end of October for relevance.
 

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I simply find it astounding that people listen to and worship this man, when time and again he exposes himself as a vindictive liar with no credibility. His Q&A appearances are universally embarrassing, and even the journalist from the Australian and the representative for business on the panel were having no part in his diatribes.
Jones schooled the rest of the Q&A panel - the Australian journalist is a lunatic leftist and the business representative trotted out boring PC cliches. None were able to prove Jones wrong and should be embarrassed about their juvenile approach to debate.

Nope. That makes you a self-funded retiree.

The moral question is whether it is fair to reverse a stupidly generous concession by John Howard when some retirees have arranged their affairs to take advantage of this negative tax. The rest of us are paying for a handout that you could argue hasn't been earned, but for every winner there must be a loser. Who you pick is down to your ideology it seems.



Dam levels in the Sydney catchment area have fallen below 55% and we are firing up the desalination plant. Adelaide is at 42%. What is your comfort level about future capacity?
That "stupidly generous concession" was one in Kim Beazley's 2001 election manifesto.
 

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For those who want to consider an learned alternative to the IPCC should read the NIPCC:) commentary

Otherwise, it looks like increasingly the Coalition will maintain the same seats from 2016 -78. As the electoral boundaries were redistributed after the last election, notionally the Coalition had to win seats to maintain status quo. Which it did.

Why would Cowan be still in the doubtful list and not Bass?
 
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Please limit discussion in this thread to the topic. That is, the 2019 federal election.

Take further discussion on general climate change issues offline/elsewhere.
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A zealot is someone who makes changes without considering all of the consequences or if they do, they dont care a jolt about other people’s issues in pursuing their own agenda.
 

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I was looking at the numbers in the Senate and so far the coalition have 34 and need 39 to pass legislation. Scomo will need to stay on good terms with a few others to pass legislation.
 

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For those who want to consider an learned alternative to the IPCC should read the NIPCC:) commentary

Otherwise, it looks like increasingly the Coalition will maintain the same seats from 2016 -78. As the electoral boundaries were redistributed after the last election, notionally the Coalition had to win seats to maintain status quo. Which it did.

Why would Cowan be still in the doubtful list and not Bass?
Generally speaking, we are now only waiting for postal votes and history shows that postal votes tend to favour the Coalition. Presumably that trend has been consistent which is why the AEC now think that those votes flowing in could narrow the Cowan margin further.

Lilley is also back on the doubtful list.
 

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