2019 Federal Election Discussion

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I’m still none the wiser

No to GST UPLIFT as it’s a regressive tax

Lower income taxes they are too high. Both majors know the average worker is soaked. Taxes when you earn and taxes when you spend
Yes to raising taxes on things that wealth create. Founders shares and property
The franking credit idea is in my view a blunt instrument and doesn’t impact the big investors who pay tax and partially affects SMSF with balances above $1.6 million

Share transaction taxes would be a good thing.
Raise subdivision stamp duty


The simple trick would to calculate taxable income on all income instead of not including it and give a tax offset for exempt income like superannuation

Why ?

In ‘retirement’ there are multiple buckets.

1. Your super below $1.6 million

2. Your super above $1.6 million

3. Investments outside super

4. Inheritances

5. Other people’s money paying Medicare, home care, aged care, seniors health card (based on taxable income)

6. Any wage earnings because you went back to work

7. Age Pension (based on accounting income)

A person may have one or more of these. But we are talking about aged Australians affected by the ban on women working after they married, the expectation of non-working mothers.

Ssuper was only introduced in 1992 so Imputation predated it in 1987.

excess credit refunds began in 2001 while super was still taxed. Tax-free super was introduced in 2007.

Fast forward til 2019 and these folk who were getting married at 20 in 1945 1955 or 1965 were 67 or 57 (nearly through their working life) or 47 in 1992 and today are 93, 83, 73.


Successive policy changes putting ripples on conservative ponds

Also note this interesting commentary by Shorten

But Mr Shorten said the tax concessions were tilted against younger Australians as well as older people who were not wealthy enough to invest in capital and assets like property.
Younger generations cop a 'dud deal' from a system stacked against them: Shorten

That yesterday’s taxes are paying for your future health costs and age pensions
Pretty good deal seeing some paid $10 a week back then for $365 a week now
(Unlimited spending is the money tree at the bottom of the garden fantasy)

Tax when you earn, taxed when you spend. So when you realise the high income earners already pay so much of the overall income tax take, its time for change the tax mix and up the ante on excessive capital gains, tax resources like Norway does, and cutoff tax loopholes like trusts and digital offshore corporations
 
CaptJ Cool have you been on the KoolAid.I was born in 1946 and I am definitely not 92.And those born in the decades after me are not 82 or 72.

Super was available before 1992.It was compulsory Super introduced in 1992.And it was basically Keating's gift to Bill kelty to keep the unions on side.As Keating said to the 1992 ACTU Congress-
‘You are losing your industrial muscle; I have given you the opportunity to take on financial muscle. You will get that through your superannuation funds. It is time you entered self-management’.
 
CaptJ Cool have you been on the KoolAid.I was born in 1946 and I am definitely not 92.And those born in the decades after me are not 82 or 72.

Super was available before 1992.It was compulsory Super introduced in 1992.And it was basically Keating's gift to Bill kelty to keep the unions on side.As Keating said to the 1992 ACTU Congress-
‘You are losing your industrial muscle; I have given you the opportunity to take on financial muscle. You will get that through your superannuation funds. It is time you entered self-management’.
Oi. You are on holidays. Let it go and look after mrsdrron and enjoy!
 
I have always felt that personal tax rates are way too high.
Looks like they are going higher if BS gets in.
I am ok with capital gains getting taxed with lower concessions.
Even a family home sold inside 3 years of purchase could be taxed at about 50% of the ordinary income tax rate.
 
Clive has taken a new tack tonight with his ads ... including increasing the Pension by 150 PW!!!

I can't take them seriously as 1) 150$?!! and 2) he'd need to control the lower house ... not happening.
 
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CaptJ Cool have you been on the KoolAid.I was born in 1946 and I am definitely not 92.And those born in the decades after me are not 82 or 72.

Super was available before 1992.It was compulsory Super introduced in 1992.And it was basically Keating's gift to Bill kelty to keep the unions on side.As Keating said to the 1992 ACTU Congress-
‘You are losing your industrial muscle; I have given you the opportunity to take on financial muscle. You will get that through your superannuation funds. It is time you entered self-management’.

I didn’t mention year of birth
It was age in year of marriage ..so 20 and married in 1945 is 93 this year.

I wasn’t aware of the point re unions above so thanks for that.
Yes voluntary public sector super was a relative pittance andit shows in the average pensions in the CSS scheme in 2014 were “about $30.000).
This occurred because until 1987 super funds to obtain tax exemption had to invest in government bonds at say 4-5% while the mainstream economy was going gangbusters at 19-21%.

I’m grateful the trust deed was changed in 1988 to enable superfund share ownership as my earnings went gang busters opening the 54/11 opportunity.
 
Wow the WACA can get $30 million from BS so that’s about $7000 of the half a million back for us.
We’ll only be a little short now.
 
Wow the WACA can get $30 million from BS so that’s about $7000 of the half a million back for us.
We’ll only be a little short now.

Just why do these professional sporting bodies need any govt funding ?

If we added up all the BS spending, I’d prefer a tax cut of a couple of hundred or thousand dollars than continue this chicanery of childlike spending.

Fortunately, as superannuation bites, age pensions ought diminish as ought the hea y loading on Medicare, PBS and aged & home care packages


Unless, I make a scene of myself, or act like a rebel, the govt ain’t throwing anything my way. Oh wait. Yes my kids get free secondary education ....
Gosh the park I’m sitting at wasn’t even paid for as crown land simply got took
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Raise and broaden the GST, just looks like good policy to me..... plenty of ways to compensate the low incomers.


“OECD figures show that Australia's tax take from the GST has fallen to half that of New Zealand's and is only two thirds of the developed world's average, making it overly reliant on personal income taxes and company taxes.”
 
At the WACA there are only about 100 to 200 who will come to an important member meeting so should I divide the 30 mil by 100 and think he is giving us back $300,000?
The last time the WACA had that sort of money I struggled to see how they used the money.
 
I was endeavouring to work out what $30,000 of dividends (including franking credits) meant regards share price value .

At 80 cents dividend per share this meant around 24,000 shares ?

Given blue chip prices, would this equate to ....

ANZ $630,000
NAB
WBC similar
$24-25 per share

Comnbank 15,000 shares at $73.4 = $1,100,100 (explains why a pile of employees and ex employees are “paper” millionaires....and why some, are ineligible for age pension on asset test

So $100,000 dividends split between two people is currently tax-free (SMSF or senior Aussie $52,000 each SAPTO) and ineLegible for age pension (asset test) 80,000 shares $1,920,000 (under transfer balance cap)
Comm bank 50,000 shares at $73.4 = $3,670,000 470,000 above transfer balance cap if in SMSF would be 15% on difference. If outside super would be untaxed regardless of value...

Does this sound right ?

 
Typically banks have a yield of around 6% so you would need about $500,000 of bank shares to get you $30,000 of franked dividends from a big 4 bank.
 
As an aside, is 'millionaire' a meaningful concept any more?
The millionaire that Marilyn Monroe recognised in the 1950s would be a billionaire now.
That's not to say it's not a lot of money, just that it doesn't mean the mansion/yacht/sportscar life
 
As an aside, is 'millionaire' a meaningful concept any more?

I’ve been a millionaire since I first visited Vietnam 20 years ago :p;)

If you look at the Marilyn Monroe era, “How to Marry a Millionaire” was released in 1953. If you look at the value of 1m AUD (0.5m AU Pounds back then) in today’s value, using RBA inflation calculator then it is worth $17.7m in 2018.
 
>>> Imagine if anyone did get a letter from AEC (doubt this every happens) saying you didn't vote. All they'd have to say is they did, end of story.

Funny you say this - I have had a letter from the AEC twice saying I didn't vote (and could be subject to a fine). The first time, I was out of the country - no chance to pre-vote, postal vote, nor vote at a consulate; the second time, I'd actually informed, as per their official letter, that I'd moved overseas (and hadn't voted for nearly 10 years).

Obviously, it was all an utter waste of time - my folks got yet another letter demanding to know why I hadn't voted, and again, I was threatened with a fine for not voting. I ended up calling them from overseas and asking why the h*%# the letter I'd returned via Registered Mail had been ignored. That was followed up with me demanding they quit sending more threats of fines: in simple terms: I was no longer in the country and wouldn't be voting at any stage in the foreseeable future. End. Of. Story.

They got the message - never heard a peep from them again . . .
 
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Getting a pretty good franked dividend refund from 2018 SMSF. I am excited.
 
Perhaps you can frame it as an historic example of the achievements of a modern day robin hood. ( picture shorten in a green cape… )
I was thinking about sending mine in to the labour party as a conscience offering…….
 
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