Using Lavatories in Flight not in your Cabin Class?

[Robbi]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Does that basic need include changing out of PJ's?

I question the need for PJ's at all on public transport. But no, as I said.

"Stealing a seat and conditions is one thing, using a loo is something altogether different, very basic and primal."

 

[amaroo]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I question the need for PJ's at all on public transport. But no, as I said.

"Stealing a seat and conditions is one thing, using a loo is something altogether different, very basic and primal."

The fellow I had to wait for was neither old, pregnant or looked out of shape - but you never know! Walking down & then upstairs would eliminate quite a few worthy passengers.

Put simply - the bloke was a free loader....the same type that think it's alright to park in a handicap spot:evil:

I didn't see anyone from behind the curtain move forward.......makes me think this all revolves around entitlement issues from the middle class

 

[Robbi]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Enjoying a cup of expresso in fine china followed by a saunter to the PE loo while paying for / sitting in a Y seat: is that a case that would fit into your compassionate range ?

I quote myself : 'Stealing a seat and conditions is one thing, using a loo is something altogether different, very basic and primal."

So no, clearly that does not fit with my view of compassionate.

....I work with a group of people who feel entitled to everything, and a bit more, and to quote a song..."it ****s me to tears"....but if you are WP/WP1 you will have got there by spending a lot of money in Y, J or F....I think that commitment deserves a little bit of recognition regardless of travel class....

 

[medhead]

WP treatment in Y

Nah. I've got nothing. I still don't see how someone using the premium lavatories is an issue that should concern me.

If I saw someone trying to move into a cabin they didn't belong in then that's a different story.

A number of times when I've been in business and have need to use the amenities, just as the seat belt sign has come on for landing, I've had to wait for economy passengers in my cabin. That effects me.

This is something virgin do very well.

 

[JohnK]

Re: WP treatment in Y

completely disagree with JohnK on this one (nothing new here).

You are of course entitled to an opinion.

Just like I am entitled to an opinion.

The passenger paying the most (whether cash or pointS) should have exclusive access to the toilets allocated to their cabin. Agree it is basically the same as a Y pax moving into the J cabin and occupying a vacant seat whenever they wish.

Stealing a seat is nowhere near the same as using a lavatory in a higher class. It is a lavatory for crying out loud.

I have been in premium economy, business and first class many times. Sometimes via op-ups other times paying for the airfare out of my pocket. I have waited to use the lavatory more times than I care to remember. That happens. Sometimes the need has been urgent. What I did not do was check to see if they person using the lavatory was sitting in the same class as where the lavatory is located. I don't care.

Now people going into lavatories to change into/out of their pyjamas irks me. I keep forgetting some people choose to do this and the queue to use the lavatories could see me waiting for 5-10 minutes after take-off or before descent. I paid a lot for the premium product out of my hard earned money and I should not have to wait that long to use the toilet.

 

[Robbi]

Re: WP treatment in Y

The point is WPs already receive quite a 'recognition' as it is.

Let us know how you go there, please.

There you go, WP/WP1 do get recognition. Nice.

And, that toilets are an essential service that some people may have invisible needs to use.

As for stealing, or having hissy fits, entitlement mentality, not following requests from staff, please don't confuse me with you.

 

[legroom]

WP treatment in Y

...... Now people going into lavatories to change into/out of their pyjamas irks me. I keep forgetting some people choose to do this and the queue to use the lavatories could see me waiting for 5-10 minutes after take-off or before descent. I paid a lot for the premium product out of my hard earned money and I should not have to wait that long to use the toilet.

Your wait will become appreciably longer if your position did ever become an 'unpublished' benefits as it is a simple math, more people (from the lower cabin) equaling more waiting time.

In a way, you seem to contradict yourself: on one hand, you said you couldn't care less while on the other hand, you could become 'irked' if you have to wait.

Ask yourself: has any airline that you know of actively promotes or allows this cabin creep practice ?

Or, it only exists in the minds of 'self deserving' WPs.

There you go, WP/WP1 do get recognition. Nice.

And, that toilets are an essential service that some people may have invisible needs to use.

As for stealing, or having hissy fits, entitlement mentality, not following requests from staff, please don't confuse me with you.

Please debate the issue and not the man !

 

[Robbi]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Please debate the issue and not the man !

I was debating the issue, you changed targets...

 

[JohnK]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Your wait will become appreciably longer if your position did ever become an 'unpublished' benefits as it is a simple math, more people (from the lower cabin) equaling more waiting time.

In a way, you seem to contradict yourself: on one hand, you said you couldn't care less while on the other hand, you could become 'irked' if you have to wait.

Yes I saw the contradiction in my post but I chose to leave it there.

In my opinion there is a difference between needing to use the lavatory and changing into pyjamas. I could be wrong.

Ask yourself: has any airline that you know of actively promotes or allows this cabin creep practice ?

Or, it only exists in the minds of 'self deserving' WPs.



Please debate the issue and not the man !

I don't think I said it was right. Or I may have but that is not what I meant.

Cabin creep? I wouldn't go that far.

People using the lavatory in a higher cabin is going to happen. This could happen for various reasons.

- There is a queue of 2-3 people waiting to use the economy lavatories and the need is urgent. Perhaps the right thing to do is ask the FA first but that may not be possible under the circumstances.
- Food/drinks carts in the way. This happens a lot. Meal service on international A330 starts and you need to go. Do you wait? Do you interrupt the meal service? Or do you go and use the business class lavatories? It is a no brainer really.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: WP treatment in Y

If someone knows they have a weak bladder, why not choose a seat beside the WC? Like row 60 on an a330? Also avoids any issues with service carts in the aisle.

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I must confess that the new bed pan service for WP1's in Y is a welcome relief!

 

[legroom]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I must confess that the new bed pan service for WP1's in Y is a welcome relief!

Didn't know you qualified for home based geriatric care !

 

[legroom]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Well, sifting through the chaff its all pretty clear to me:

Domestically depending upon route and aircraft type, sometimes a WP is lucky to get an extra hi in whY! Often it is because there are so many on board, the travel time isnt that long and the CSM is a busy person and usually focused on the J cabin.
I think its fair to say that domestically as a WP all the benefits are prior to taking off, Seat selection, lounge, luggage allowance etc. The class of service is the class of service expected and used.
If you get anything more than that, then that is a bonus!

Internationally, this is where things get a bit murky, often the CSM has time allocated for the meet and greet of WP and above and depending upon load usually gets around to doing it, They often ask "if there is anything i can do for you" which is usually something simple, headphones, blanket a lil glass of bubbles etc. If it is anything more than that then that is pushing the boundaries.

WP isn't some magical mystery panacea to making whY travel amazing! It is still whY!

So being a WP in whY does not automatically = getting stuff thats not warranted, its about a little thank you for being a loyal customer who spends significant $ or time on a plane.

Now the whole toilet thing:

Irrespective of if the person is a WP or not people often go to the wrong toilets, there is those who have a sense of entitlement, those who have no idea, and then those who have drunk to much, other lavs are blocked etc. Realistically everyone no matter who they are should use the correct toilets in their class, but at the end of the day whoopty doo. Chances are if you are in F or J and its the lower class that is using your precious loo availability, you are more than making up for it with a better seat and travel experience. 1 or 2 minutes out of your flight time is a miniscule percentile, heaven forbid its even good for you to stretch your legs.

Less DYKWIA and more WGAFF

I did say that I would 'stir the pot' with my original post !

 

[JohnK]

Re: WP treatment in Y

If someone knows they have a weak bladder, why not choose a seat beside the WC? Like row 60 on an a330? Also avoids any issues with service carts in the aisle.

Bladder does not need to be weak.

About an hour into the flight they came out with the meal service. They usually serve from the front and work their way back. Meal service takes ~45 minutes. You now have the urge to go to the lavatory. So you have to wait for meal service to be over before you can go?

And personally I choose front aisle bulkhead to avoid the recliners and the further you go back in the cabin the more it looks like a war zone. I could not cope with that.

By the way I am not one of the one's that uses business class toilets without a good reason and many times I get permission. I prefer to walk down the back and stretch my legs to remind myself I never want to sit that far back in the cabin.

My whole argument has been when I am in premium cabins I do not care who uses the lavatories.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Bladder does not need to be weak.

About an hour into the flight they came out with the meal service. They usually serve from the front and work their way back. Meal service takes ~45 minutes. You now have the urge to go to the lavatory. So you have to wait for meal service to be over before you can go?

And personally I choose front aisle bulkhead to avoid the recliners and the further you go back in the cabin the more it looks like a war zone. I could not cope with that.

By the way I am not one of the one's that uses business class toilets without a good reason and many times I get permission. I prefer to walk down the back and stretch my legs to remind myself I never want to sit that far back in the cabin.

My whole argument has been when I am in premium cabins I do not care who uses the lavatories.

if meal service starts at around an hour - at around the 45 minute mark one would think - 'I should probably go to the lavatory now' - just like when we were kids and our parents would make us go to the bathroom before getting into the car.

ReLoad - being in F a 2 minute wait is enough to 'wake up' from my sleep. If it is a business class passenger in the lavatory I don't think that is fair for them to interrupt my ability to get back to sleeping without interruption.

 

[JohnK]

Re: WP treatment in Y

if meal service starts at around an hour - at around the 45 minute mark one would think - 'I should probably go to the lavatory now' - just like when we were kids and our parents would make us go to the bathroom before getting into the car.

Too many other much more important things happening in life to worry about being organised just in case someone in business class may get upset if an economy class passengers use business class lavatories.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: WP treatment in Y

I'm still baffled what that has to do with WP's flying whY? there is a whole plane full of numpties who think they can use any toilet, including other pax in your class of travel, what if one of them has taken the fin review in with them?

If your whole flight experience is hinging on getting direct access to the toilet when you need it then i then ill go out on a limb and say that there is nothing that can appease you.

Realistically what do you expect QF (or any airline for that matter) to do?
Do you want QF to have a toilet guard? perhaps scan your BP for Toilet entry? I know a few Tongan guys who make great bouncers, they can have a little red rope and let people in accordingly.

BA has a rope. other airlines have ropes, or placards in place saying 'business [or first] class only beyond this point' and indeed they have crew to redirect pax back to their chosen class of travel.

but let's look at the math... JohnK used the example of an a330 - the first WC for Y class is at row 41. So if cart is doing a meal service and blocking the aisles, does that mean everyone from row 23-40 is allowed to walk forward? That's ~136 passengers to use the business class WC?

Is that reasonable?

 

[amaroo]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Why do you think the FAs pull the curtain shut:idea:

 

[TonyHancock]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Why do you think the FAs pull the curtain shut:idea:

Something to do with the new bedpan service?

 

[Pushka]

Re: WP treatment in Y

Is having a dedicated lavatory a stated benefit in F, J or WP class?