Denied seat recline on long haul

[BadgerBoi]

No problems here, if you recline on me, then you would have a problem though. And I know what your outcome would be if you did do that.

Why would I have a problem? What would you threaten to do to me if I availed of the recline feature that the airline advertises that I'm entitled to use?

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

So people who pay more and fly in J or F shouldn't have greater width and pitch for the extra dollars? I don't see anybody thumbing their nose in this thread.

If someone reclining into you is such a huge problem then paying the extra for a premium seat certainly isn't a waste.

Perhaps you need to re-read what I said. I don't recall saying people in J or F should'nt have greater width or pitch etc, just recognise that not everyone can afford to fly F or J and those up the back just have to try and make the trip as comfortbable as possible and a bit of give and take goes along way and maybe have other priorities for their dollars.

Oh, by the way my wife and I are flying MELBOURNE - ADELAIDE tomorrow for the day in 1A and 1C both ways to have lunch to celebrate the arrival of a new grand-daughter. We can afford it ( points + dollars on a JASA courtesy of this website) but that does not mean I don't travel Y as well WHEN IT SUITS ME. If people recline then so be it, I recline too but not before having a look to make sure I am not going to spill their drinks or invade all their space if they are large people etc.

Just excercise some courtesy, something that some people seem to have no regard for

 

[BadgerBoi]

Perhaps you need to re-read what I said.

And perhaps you need to re-read my response.

 

[RWJ777]

My husband has a bad left shoulder, it keeps him awake at night, and gives him considerable discomfort unless he can stretch it out regularly. When he is flying I always book his seats with either the window to his left or the isle to his left so that he has a little bit of room to move his arm around a bit because keeping it in the same position for prolonged periods of time is painful. I dont select exit row seats or extra legroom seats for him, even if they are available if he has to sit with someone to his left.

However sometimes he is moved up to an extra legroom seat at the airport and ends up with someone to his left, in this case he leaves the plane in a fair bit of discomfort because he holds his arm accross his chest or stomach so as not to anoy the person next to him, he doesnt rest his arm on the armrest , (unless its me in which case he hogs it the whole way but thats fine I know he has a problem and as in any equal partnership his problems are my problems lol).

So how is this any different to knees being crushed behind the seat, my hubby does not make his dicky shouldher the person beside hims problem, why do "some" people with long legs make that the person in fronts problem?

Can I ask you Mal, if you were seated next to my husband and it was obvious he was in need of more elbow room because he was in pain, would you gladly offer him the arm rest and a another few inches of your space so that he could be comfortable, even if it meant you were going to be a bit less uncomfortable. And can I also ask if you didnt give him that extra space or even the common area of the arm rest, would it then be appropriate for him to jostle your seat and make you pay the consequences of his discomfort?


What about the person two rows in front who gets the last chicken meal and you really wanted it.

What about the person who stinks up the onboard toilets before you and gives you an unpleasant experience.

What about the person in front of you at check in who is over the luggage limit and you have to wait while they repack all of their bags.

What about the person 4 rows behind you that has a really anoying cough that never ends.

What about the peron who laughs out loud constantly with his earphones on while watching a funny movie.

I find all of the above really really anoying, but I dont seek to pay them back, demand or even assume that they give a bugger about my anoyances, I chalk it up to the joys of flying, try to put a smile on my face and relax........probably with my seat reclined.

The simple logic of this post is as compelling as it is elegant. Post of the day to you!

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

:shock:

And perhaps you need to re-read my response.

Happy New Year !!

 

[RWJ777]

No problems here, if you recline on me, then you would have a problem though. And I know what your outcome would be if you did do that. :mrgreen:

I can be comfortable in a Y seat, unless a person causes me discomfort. Then I would treat them like an animal in a zoo.

I find concerning the latent aggression in some of your comments. Coupling them with a smiley face does not ameliorate their menacing nature.

 

[BadgerBoi]

I find concerning the latent aggression in some of your comments. Coupling them with a smiley face does not ameliorate their menacing nature.

The post you responded to reminded me of a flight I took with some friends on VN a few years ago. Admittedly the pitch was pretty bad, but I watched on of my friends contort herself into a position so that her knees were propped into the seat in front of her. She looked extremely uncomfortable, and she moved to a more comfortable position when she realised that the cabin crew weren't going to upgrade her to J despite her acrobatic efforts.

She was a total pain during our two weeks in Vietnam. Every single hotel we stayed at she would refuse the first room she was given for various reasons, again her efforts were in vain, each time she was given a new room but never was she actually moved to a better room.

Entitlement.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

mal ware... I AM tall, therefore I know that it has nothing to do with crushing knees, because if I can manage (with long legs) then so can someone else, unless they're over say 6'5. now if they're that tall, they should be well aware of the constraints of the seat and manage their comfort accordingly. I do at my height. yes it costs me more, but I don't really have a choice. I can't expect the person in front of me to not recline, I need to accept they will, and take appropriate steps to manage my own comfort within that context. domestic that means using status for an exit row or bulkhead, and for international it means no economy.

so, based in my own height, and my own management of the situation, I don't really care if the person behind me is tall. however, if they're 6'6 and want to swap seats so I sit behind them I would probably agree to swap.

 

[11sjw]

No problems here, if you recline on me, then you would have a problem though. And I know what your outcome would be if you did do that. :mrgreen:

You with sore knees.

I'm 6'2" and recline doesn't impact me unless I've stuck too much in the magazine holder or am using the dud 15" laptop I used to have with work. The new 13" laptop is fine for work with a recliner in front.

 

[pippy]

No problems here, if you recline on me, then you would have a problem though. And I know what your outcome would be if you did do that. :mrgreen:

You still refuse to accept that the physical pain and discomfort caused by being reclined on is a factor. All you want to use to support your stance is your home made psychological analysis which could not be further from the truth and are not willing to accept that it could be anything but your psycho-babble. I think you are either in denial, or are trolling, either way you are incorrect.

Thanks for reading my "Report".

Short answer is yes, of course I would.


Good luck to them.

Strange question.

Platinum line or kiosk.

Headphones and ear plugs.

Same as above.

All of your analogies are not really related to reclining though. My turn to ask a question. If you knew that there was a big guy/lady behind you and you were in economy would you recline all of the way back, and if you did and they asked you politely to move your seat forward as you were crushing their knees, would you?

That's right, or you could be considerate of other people and not use "rules" as a reason not to be.

I can be comfortable in a Y seat, unless a person causes me discomfort. Then I would treat them like an animal in a zoo.

I do feel that my analogies are related to the reclining issue because those things have the potential to get me very very annoyed, just as you seem to be with the reclining passengers. I guess I was trying to point out that we sometimes have to gritt our teeth and bare whatever comes along and not make our own issues someone else's.

The toilet question is not strange to me, I find stinky toilets almost the worst part of flying. :shock:

In, I think my first post in this thread, I said that I was berated by a very rude tall person for reclining, on an overnight flight, I was quite upset by his inappropriate behaviour, and the rudeness of that passenger has always struck me as mean, self centred and ignorant. You might say I was ignorant for not being aware he was tall and having difficulty but I was travelling with 4 children under 14 with the youngest one asleep across me and i was dog tired at the time so I had my own issues to be dealing with.

Now to your question, if it was asked of me politely, polite being the key word, then I would most likely not recline, especially while I was awake, however once again it comes down to what's happening with me at the time as well, I mean its more than likely that Mr Pippy would have his arm across the arm rest and half of my seat, and then I am not reclining so the person behind can have some comfort, and then the person in front of me is also reclined, how many people can I keep happy. So I guess my answer would be while I am awake I won't recline, but if I am sleeping I will most likely recline, so a compromise.
I should add though that I would never ask another passenger not to recline to ensure my own comfort, this in itself would seem to me a bit rude.

I think it would be very gracious of anyone to offer mr Pippy some of their seat space for his comfort with regards to his shoulder, (apart from myself of course) I would certainly offer a stranger some arm stretch time but not for the entirety of a long haul flight, again a compromise.

 

[Mal Ware]

Why would I have a problem? What would you threaten to do to me if I availed of the recline feature that the airline advertises that I'm entitled to use?

I think you know the answer to this question you have asked. Read the last few pages of the thread to catch up if you don't.

Just excercise some courtesy, something that some people seem to have no regard for

Aint that the truth.

I find concerning the latent aggression in some of your comments. Coupling them with a smiley face does not ameliorate their menacing nature.

LOL. Your concerned? That's touching. Are you concerned if you crush someones knees while reclining and cause them to have a painful and or uncomfortable flight?

mal ware... I AM tall, therefore I know that it has nothing to do with crushing knees

Cue the "I am tall and it doesn't effect me" comments now that your psycho babble has been dispelled.

You with sore knees.

I'm 6'2" and recline doesn't impact me unless I've stuck too much in the magazine holder or am using the dud 15" laptop I used to have with work. The new 13" laptop is fine for work with a recliner in front.

How would I get sore knees, if according to you recline does not impact a tall person?
Looks like you contradicted yourself a little there while trying in vain to support your flawed argument.

Anybody can SAY they are tall on an internet forum to try and push home their point, I have a feeling there is some of that going on in this thread, in fact I know there is LOL. One guys said he was 195cm and not affected. bwahahaa. People will do anything to try and justify inconsiderate behavior, makes me laugh.

Now to your question, if it was asked of me politely, polite being the key word, then I would most likely not recline, especially while I was awake, however once again it comes down to what's happening with me at the time as well, I mean its more than likely that Mr Pippy would have his arm across the arm rest and half of my seat, and then I am not reclining so the person behind can have some comfort, and then the person in front of me is also reclined, how many people can I keep happy. So I guess my answer would be while I am awake I won't recline, but if I am sleeping I will most likely recline, so a compromise.
I should add though that I would never ask another passenger not to recline to ensure my own comfort, this in itself would seem to me a bit rude.

I think it would be very gracious of anyone to offer mr Pippy some of their seat space for his comfort with regards to his shoulder, (apart from myself of course) I would certainly offer a stranger some arm stretch time but not for the entirety of a long haul flight, again a compromise.

Well at least you would be willing to compromise, kudo's to you for that. Your attitude is far more practicable and reasonable than many here who toot their trumpet saying how it is a feature and therefore they will use it regardless.

Happy New Year

 

[BadgerBoi]

I think you know the answer to this question you have asked. Read the last few pages of the thread to catch up if you don't.

refresh my memory and repeat exactly what it is that you are threatening me with - much of what you have said is veiled, here's your chance to be as explicit as you like

 

[mannej]

It is funny Mal Ware you are forgetting people are built in different proportions. What may affect one tall person may not affect another, hence why it is not a flawed argument at all.

I find it intriguing you are calling for a happy medium now considering you were advocating childish reactions against any form of reclining not so long ago.

 

[whatmeworry]

Funny how the shortest are the biggest recliners!

 

[docjames]

I'm still awake as Mal Ware keeps intentionally bumping my seat.

Where's the FA so I can complain?

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Up the front looking after the F & J passengers !

 

[BadgerBoi]

Up the front looking after the F & J passengers !

I'll send one down the back to deal with Mal as soon as my Dom Perignon is chilled to the appropriate temperature.

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

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I'll send one down the back to deal with Mal as soon as my Dom Perignon is chilled to the appropriate temperature.

Just arrived in Adelaide to make WP my cut off day was today so a worthwhile trip. Mrs S is looking forward to the spa treatment at the First lounge next year when we go o/s even if it might be in Y. Limber her up before she gets reclined on by the pax in front and abused by the person behind if she tries to recline. !!!!!!

 

[Mal Ware]

refresh my memory and repeat exactly what it is that you are threatening me with - much of what you have said is veiled, here's your chance to be as explicit as you like

LOL I am not threatening you personally with anything. Sounds like you are trying to bait me into doing so though. I have mentioned the tactics I may employ if a person reclines on me despite being politely asked not to. Go find it yourself, not many pages back, although as I said last post to you, I am sure you already know this and are just trying to turn it personal so you can complain. Been there, done that......nice try though.

It is funny Mal Ware you are forgetting people are built in different proportions. What may affect one tall person may not affect another, hence why it is not a flawed argument at all.

Yes because there are different varieties of tall. What affects come into play here are some are tall and can speak from experience, while others like to tell tall stories.

I find it intriguing you are calling for a happy medium now considering you were advocating childish reactions against any form of reclining not so long ago.

Why would you find it intruiging? I have advocated polite common sense since the beginning, it is only the arrogant person who fails to come to an arrangment that would be submect to the childish actions you refer to. Most people would do the right thing, ony some don't, and they then pay the price.

Funny how the shortest are the biggest recliners!

And the biggest users of exit rows.

I'm still awake as Mal Ware keeps intentionally bumping my seat.

Where's the FA so I can complain?

Move your seat forward, then we can both get some sleep.

 

[RWJ777]

The post you responded to reminded me of a flight I took with some friends on VN a few years ago. Admittedly the pitch was pretty bad, but I watched on of my friends contort herself into a position so that her knees were propped into the seat in front of her. She looked extremely uncomfortable, and she moved to a more comfortable position when she realised that the cabin crew weren't going to upgrade her to J despite her acrobatic efforts.

She was a total pain during our two weeks in Vietnam. Every single hotel we stayed at she would refuse the first room she was given for various reasons, again her efforts were in vain, each time she was given a new room but never was she actually moved to a better room.

Entitlement.

Slightly OT, but this post made me laugh: I once travelled with an Englishwoman, as part of a group, to Vietnam. Same damn thing. Every room needed to be changed and the constant barrage of complaint about the accommodation, smell and food was extraordinary. The funny thing was, she pretended to be an intrepid traveller and would constantly brag about travelling rough in SE Asia. She had the advanced backpack, attachments and ultra expensive travel accoutrements as her props to her travel stories. Her righteous behaviour in Vietnam rather contradicted her (self-created) reputation.

Back on topic, I didn't see her complain about airline seats but have little doubt that her behaviour on ground would have been replicated above it. A right pain in the derrière.